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  • 15. Re: How do points work?
    BillyVerreynne Oracle ACE
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    paavo wrote:

    IMHO it should be improving the forums e.g. better indicators for 'hot/potential/high quality' discussion threads.
    And who decides what is quality and what is not? Does yet another tiresome discussion on "+count(1) vs. count(*)+" qualifies?

    As for hot threads - until recently (about a year ago?) we still had a view counter per thread. That told you something about how often the thread was viewed. Very useful IMO as when I post a question and that is met with a spontaneous round of silence, I at least knew whether or not the question and subject matter posted were interesting enough for a quick view - or whether the spontaneous round of silence was in fact a spontaneous round of indifference. ;-)

    But Jives has been giving performance problems for many years now (that a major upgrade some years back failed to address) - which means that features have been disabled/removed over time.

    The only solution is new forum s/w. And is, as I understand, something that Oracle is and has been looking at for some time now (as Jives itself is a dead as a product). But what the state and progress are of replacing Jives with something else, is pretty much a mystery to most around here.
  • 16. Re: How do points work?
    Timo Hahn Oracle ACE
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    And is, as I understand, something that Oracle is and has been looking at for some time now (as Jives itself is a dead as a product). But what the state and progress are of replacing Jives with something else, is pretty much a mystery to most around here.
    Well, oracletechnet blogged this on Apr 05, 2012 [url https://blogs.oracle.com/otn/entry/we_heart_discussion_forums_and]We Heart Discussion Forums (and Know You Do Too)
    which sounds like Jive isn't that dead :)

    Timo
  • 17. Re: How do points work?
    BillyVerreynne Oracle ACE
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    Thanks Timo.

    Seems to me that Oracle managed to get Jives development and support resurrected - from what I've read in the past from Justin's postings here, Jives at the time was a pretty much a dead end. No support for new new features. No real support to make existing features (that cannot be used due to volume/performance/etc) work properly.

    I do not mind what the actual forum s/w is - as long as the functionality we want is there, works consistently, and works well.

    I still think however that a native Oracle PL/SQL solution is the answer - not necessarily Apex itself, but maybe a more basic and specialised Apex-like PL/SQL web frame work. Make the db layer RAC and make the web server layer Apache - and you will have scalability. Using standard Oracle tools... and the very same tools many Oracle customers (including us) use. So in that respect I question why Jives, and why OTN does not use the tools and technologies that their company sell to their customers.
  • 18. Re: How do points work?
    BluShadow Guru Moderator
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    Billy  Verreynne  wrote:
    Thanks Timo.

    Seems to me that Oracle managed to get Jives development and support resurrected - from what I've read in the past from Justin's postings here, Jives at the time was a pretty much a dead end. No support for new new features. No real support to make existing features (that cannot be used due to volume/performance/etc) work properly.
    I think it was a case that the version of Jive being used here was old and no longer supported, and it wasn't just a case of applying an upgrade, but required a whole move to a new version, hence what Justin says in his blog.
    I do not mind what the actual forum s/w is - as long as the functionality we want is there, works consistently, and works well.
    * fingers crossed * Let's wait and see. :)
    I still think however that a native Oracle PL/SQL solution is the answer - not necessarily Apex itself, but maybe a more basic and specialised Apex-like PL/SQL web frame work. Make the db layer RAC and make the web server layer Apache - and you will have scalability. Using standard Oracle tools... and the very same tools many Oracle customers (including us) use. So in that respect I question why Jives, and why OTN does not use the tools and technologies that their company sell to their customers.
    Perhaps just a case of "somebody's already developed the functionality and we only have to install it and configure it" compared with "right we need a development team who actually know what they're doing, and we need a good database design (let's go for an entity attribute value model, I hear they're good!) and we've got to ensure privacy, encryption, moderator and admin functionality etc. etc. etc. and tie it all in with the single sign on functionality ...."

    ;)
  • 19. Re: How do points work?
    Sc0tt Expert
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    BluShadow wrote:
    <snip>
    Perhaps just a case of "somebody's already developed the functionality and we only have to install it and configure it" compared with "right we need a development team who actually know what they're doing, and we need a good database design (let's go for an entity attribute value model, I hear they're good!) and we've got to ensure privacy, encryption, moderator and admin functionality etc. etc. etc. and tie it all in with the single sign on functionality ...."

    ;)
    And POINTS. You forgot to mention we need points. Points points points points, points points points points! :)
  • 20. Re: How do points work?
    BillyVerreynne Oracle ACE
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    Point made. Several times...
  • 21. Re: How do points work?
    BluShadow Guru Moderator
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    Sc0tt wrote:
    BluShadow wrote:
    <snip>
    Perhaps just a case of "somebody's already developed the functionality and we only have to install it and configure it" compared with "right we need a development team who actually know what they're doing, and we need a good database design (let's go for an entity attribute value model, I hear they're good!) and we've got to ensure privacy, encryption, moderator and admin functionality etc. etc. etc. and tie it all in with the single sign on functionality ...."

    ;)
    And POINTS. You forgot to mention we need points. Points points points points, points points points points! :)
    Have them if you want. I personally don't need points to do my job, or to be paid for the work I do, or to better my understanding or to help others.

    Such desire for points, as the buddhist philosophers would say, comes from a grasping attachment of the ego mind. ;)
  • 22. Re: How do points work?
    Sc0tt Expert
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    I was definitely kidding about the points. I should've just stopped posting while I was ahead :)
  • 23. Re: How do points work?
    daniel williams Newbie
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    Yeah, it's the pointless ramblings that Stackoverflow is designed to prevent. The goal there is to add value to information on the web, not let random comments dilute good content.
  • 24. Re: How do points work?
    BillyVerreynne Oracle ACE
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    Daniel L Williams wrote:
    Yeah, it's the pointless ramblings that Stackoverflow is designed to prevent. The goal there is to add value to information on the web, not let random comments dilute good content.
    The odd off-topic/random comment is exactly what gives a forum character and foster a sense of community spirit.
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