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Entry Level DBA Jobs

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Hi,

I am doing a research and I am getting very difficult to find entry level jobs as Oracle DBA. Is there a position to start before go to a DBA role? Is there a website where I can
find entry Level Oracle DBA?

I want to study and become a Oracle OCA certified but before I do that I would like to make sure I can find a job in the field, otherwise it won't worth the investimet.

Thank you very much in advance.
  • 1. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    sb92075 Guru
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    Marcelo Bacchi wrote:
    Hi,

    I am doing a research and I am getting very difficult to find entry level jobs as Oracle DBA. Is there a position to start before go to a DBA role? Is there a website where I can
    find entry Level Oracle DBA?

    I want to study and become a Oracle OCA certified but before I do that I would like to make sure I can find a job in the field, otherwise it won't worth the investimet.

    Thank you very much in advance.
    entry Level Oracle DBA?
    above is an oxymoron

    some, many DBAs started out as application programmers
    Before I was Oracle DBA I was UNIX System Administrator & before that I was COBOL programmer

    Edited by: sb92075 on Apr 29, 2012 12:49 PM
  • 2. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    902338 Newbie
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    Hi sb92075,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I am not a programmer but I have programming knowledge. I work as a Data Conversion Analyst using ETL tool from IBM. It it difficult to get a start job like DBA assistant even if I get the Oracle OCA?

    Again, thank you very much for your time!
  • 3. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    sb92075 Guru
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    Marcelo Bacchi wrote:
    Hi sb92075,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I am not a programmer but I have programming knowledge. I work as a Data Conversion Analyst using ETL tool from IBM. It it difficult to get a start job like DBA assistant even if I get the Oracle OCA?
    Don't take the following personally, but I would not hire you if more experienced applicants existed.

    CATCH-22 of the DBA world is:
    You need experience to get a job & you need a job to get experience.
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    Marcelo Bacchi wrote:
    Hi,

    I am doing a research and I am getting very difficult to find entry level jobs as Oracle DBA. Is there a position to start before go to a DBA role? Is there a website where I can
    find entry Level Oracle DBA?

    I want to study and become a Oracle OCA certified but before I do that I would like to make sure I can find a job in the field, otherwise it won't worth the investimet.

    Thank you very much in advance.
    I've been in the business over 30 years and I don't know one single dba, myself included, who started out as a dba. It's advanced work. It simply is not an entry level position. If I were a hiring manager and I had an opening for an 'entry level dba' or 'dba trainee', I would fill it with someone who had experience either as a developer or a systems admin. Preferably someone who had already shown aptitude and interest by working closely with my 'senior' DBA.
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    713555 Pro
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    very true ed. 20 years deep here, like SB, started out as pc admin, then cobol programmer, then ETL stuff then got asked to solve a database down problem 1 day and was hooked. nearly everyone else I know in the field came the same way.

    Maybe for Marcelo, I know 2 managed services companies who take in graduates as entry level positions, it may be your best chance to get in somewhere if you applied to those types of shops. A lot of menial daily checking stuff but you got to serve your time here. no way around it. If you feel your not progressing in that type of a company after 2-3 years, now you can get out, bluff and try and sink or swim at a medium level.
  • 6. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    Niket Kumar Pro
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    Hi Marcelo...

    First learn oracle concepts by doing OCA/OCP.After that try to learn a lot of things in oracle and try to take interest in it.after that you are able to do atleast basic monitoring of database.which is helpful for you in job if anybody required a person for basic database monitoring.If by luck you get the job then you have started your journey in oracle world. :-)


    Thanks
    Niket
  • 7. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    andrewmy Journeyer
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    In an ideal world there would be openings for Junior DBAs where you could gain experience for a couple of years while a more experienced mentor showed you the ropes.

    In my experience most IT shops don't have the budget to carry a junior DBA for a couple of years until he becomes useful enough to justify the cost of hiring a specialist. In many places a developer or system admin doubles as the DBA (like myself).

    Your best bet is probably a position where you can get opportunities to learn Oracle DBA while performing some other job.
  • 8. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    jgarry Guru
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    Marcelo Bacchi wrote:
    Hi sb92075,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I am not a programmer but I have programming knowledge. I work as a Data Conversion Analyst using ETL tool from IBM. It it difficult to get a start job like DBA assistant even if I get the Oracle OCA?

    Again, thank you very much for your time!
    I was in a large gummint site where they contracted out the netadmin positions, many who didn't want to leave the gummint jobs had the opportunity to go directly to DBA. Even with all the training they could want, some failed miserably. Some didn't fail miserably, which could even be worse.

    The problem is, DBA work has a site-specific definition, and a lot of it is beyond mere ability to work on problems. You have to be able to switch hats rapidly, and keep various conflicting world-views in your head for instant access. You have to be able to figure out when the tools available are over-reaching their limits. For most people, the only way to get there is through in-depth experience with Oracle.

    I've seen some ETL tools have features that conflict with the right way to do things from Oracle's point of view, so you may have some unlearning to do as well.
  • 9. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    marist89 Newbie
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    andrewmy wrote:
    In an ideal world there would be openings for Junior DBAs where you could gain experience for a couple of years while a more experienced mentor showed you the ropes.
    I agree with you, but the problem with that theory is that the people right out of college want $80K "because that's what DBAs make". I'd hire someone tomorrow right out of school if they'd take $40K and they'd get the best OJT ever. But you want $80K, you better be able to hit the ground running and somebody fresh out of college isn't going to be able to do that.
    Your best bet is probably a position where you can get opportunities to learn Oracle DBA while performing some other job.
    I agree. Become a backend developer. Write PL/SQL or SQL. Understand how the database works and THEN make yourself a position as a DBA.

    Edited by: marist89 on May 1, 2012 4:34 PM
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    972271 Newbie
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    Hi deebee_eh,

    Do you mind sharing the name of the two managed services companies who take in graduates as entry level DBAs?

    Thanks very much.
    Jan
  • 11. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    sb92075 Guru
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    user7940363 wrote:
    Hi deebee_eh,

    Do you mind sharing the name of the two managed services companies who take in graduates as entry level DBAs?
    "entry level DBA" is a 100% & total oxymoron.
  • 12. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    sb92075 Guru
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    good for today, November 3, 2012

    http://dilbert.com/strips/


    1* select 10000/8/5/52 years_of_experience from dual
    SQL> /

    YEARS_OF_EXPERIENCE
    -------------------
    4.80769231
  • 13. Re: Entry Level DBA Jobs
    932605 Newbie
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    Hey Marcelo,

    I know its been awhile since you started this post, I wanted to just say, that with hard work and dedication, nothing is impossible. I did what everyone said could not be done. I received a job as an Oracle DBA with only 1 year knowledge. I have not been a DBA for an entire year. It's how bad do you want it, will you put in the study time, and researching, researching, applying your research and then researching more. It can happen, it happened for me, but I am still learning and learning everyone in the field is still learning. As long as you are ok with learning new things all the time, have hard work and dedication, I say go for it.

    Yes there is a lot of information, tons of information to know concerning Oracle, but no one learned it in a day, a month, or a year, it came over time so get to learning and no matter what, don't let anyone deter you from doing what it is you feel you would like to do.
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    937454 Newbie
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    Entry level DBA's will face lots of challenges in their work including getting fired anytime :)...just being practical.
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