Justin Mungal wrote:Removing any type of reward system may influence who decides to participate in the forum, but it is the original poster who decides if a response was helpful or correct. People who respond to earn points and provide low quality input do not necessarily receive points because they happen to provide some stupid response early in the game. On the other hand, a response is not necessarily better because it was given without the expectation to receive any form of credit. Nor is anyone more competent because he or she appears as a white knight in shiny armor.
Thank you for working on upgrading the forums. I think the quality and correctness of assistance received here will increase greatly if:
1) We eliminate the points system. It encourages certain types of people to respond to questions as quickly as possible to earn points, without any regard to the quality of said response. I understand that game mechanics increase participation in a social network, but perhaps we should emphasize a quality over quantity approach in a professional forum.
2) We introduce an up-voting/down-voting system. This way, when dangerous responses are given, the community can quickly down-vote them. After a certain threshold, the down-voted responses will become hidden by default.
No system is perfect, but the current system...but the current system is the furthest from perfect of them all.
SomeoneElse wrote:.... which however says nothing about the quality of a user's contribution and sets quantity over quality, which I understood is what you wanted to avoid. Sorry I think you have put your own argument ad absurdum. Age or registration time is not a privilege and hence meaningless.… and make everyone equal regardless of contributionNot quite. Everyone still has a registration date and a post counter.
Dude wrote:No system is perfect, but the age and number of posts is not meaningless. An long term expert on the forum is more likely to have stuck around and made many posts compared to someone who's a newbie (they may be an expert, and that will show if they stick around and keep posting) or someone who only occasionally makes posts (usually indicative of the fact they are just posting to get their own issues answered or just cannot answer other questions). It's as good as the points system.SomeoneElse wrote:.... which however says nothing about the quality of a user's contribution and sets quantity over quality, which I understood is what you wanted to avoid. Sorry I think you have put your own argument ad absurdum. Age or registration time is not a privilege and hence meaningless.… and make everyone equal regardless of contributionNot quite. Everyone still has a registration date and a post counter.
I'm used to an achievement-oriented society and expect some form of reward or acknowledgement for successfully helping others or making any kind of useful IT related contribution.I'm used to helping people for the sake of being helpful and also learning new stuff for myself from other experts. I don't ask for any reward or acknowledgement. Take my 'status' and my 'points' away, and that won't stop me contributing or learning. It sounds like your society is a "you don't get something for nothing" society.
I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Some kind of a forum reward system is therefore absolutely necessary if you want someone like me to participate. The reward could be real, just for fun or imagination, and I would not want to dictate what anyone should find valuable about the forum.Surely, whether you participate or not is your own choice? You shouldn't be basing your participation on whether others want you to or not?
I reject any kind of social engineering that attempts to prefer or limit forum participation and protects special interest groups and their ideology. A reward system can be a strategic and useful tool to "motivate" people and improve skills and promote technical or social content. Unfortunately the current rating system cannot evaluate any status quo prior to its introduction, but overall it can deliver fair and objective results.Unfortunately it's not always objective. I've seen plenty of people begging for points even to the extreme of one or two members who were saying "Mark my answer as correct, as I want to be a guru"... and that was their motivation... not really about being technically correct or really helping people (and the answers they had given were extremely poor and untested). The existing points system does work in some ways though... as, like the number of posts and amount of time members have been around, it's indicative of how much they've contributed and people have found them helpful, even if it cannot be considered an accurate measure.
I don't share the perception that people generally provide bad answers to quickly gather points and are also successful in doing so.Unfortunately, as a moderator here, reviewing many of the posts made in certain forums, I've seen it all too often. Quick, untested, poor, and unexplained answers, just as quickly marked correct or helpful by unsuspecting questioners who see something that appears to work and think they've got their answer, before the experts can come along and explain why it's not correct. It happens.
I admit that the experience may vary between forum categories, but I see no indication that there will be more "quality" answers if there was no rating or reward system in general.That's true... we'll still get poor answers, but at least the motivation to give quick and dirty answers is removed, so people would be more likely to answer because they truly believe they are helping, not just because they can gain a few 'achievement oriented' points.
In regard to past or pre-rating forum experiences, I suggest to put the global emerging and changing of IT in terms of its role and required technical background or lack of it into consideration. I doubt very much that the reward system is responsible for "low quality" answers and actually have not made the same negative experiences. It would certainly be nice though if more posters would provide appropriate feedback to know whether a given answer was indeed useful or solved a problem.You can doubt it... but unfortunately, I (and many other members) have seen the evidence of it.
Are points/rewards/recognition really all that important?Hell no, that's why I'm in favor of getting rid of it. Such point systems have never added anything of value to any forum that uses them.
SomeoneElse wrote:Hey, how did that get past the filters? A couple of weeks ago I was denied a reference to the early 20th Century American comic pair of Laural and ******.Are points/rewards/recognition really all that important?Hell no,
that's why I'm in favor of getting rid of it. Such point systems have never added anything of value to any forum that uses them.
But it's apparent that a point system of some form is here to stay. Maybe it will cause a performance problem and they'll have to switch it off :-)