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how to list archivelogs that need backup

user8957255 Newbie
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Can someone help me with RMAN command. I would like to rman command syntax only for the following scenarios.

I have archivelogs the disk , sequence = 40, 41, 42 , 43

and say, I backed up only sequence 41 file.

next time I want to list (not backup) which archivelogfiles have not been backed up since the last backup (which was sequence 41 was backedup).

I would like to be able to list 40, 42. 43 that needed to be backed up as a list in the RMAN.

 

I understand that I can look at find from v$archived_log view and I can backup using (backup archivelog all not backed up 1 times to device type disk - i am ok with this).

I need to be able to list the archivelogs that need backup from existing disk-directory of archivelog files from RMAN prompt.

 

please help me with the command syntax. I appreciate it.

  • 1. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    Balazs Papp Expert
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    list archivelog all backed up 0 times to disk/sbt_tape;

  • 2. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    DK2010 Guru
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    Hi,

     

    You can check with  the Command

    RMAN>crosscheck archivelog all;

     

    HTH

  • 3. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    user8957255 Newbie
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    Thanks for reply Balazrapp,

     

    I tried list archivelog all backed up 0 times to disk OR list archivelog all backed up 0 times to device type disk;

    Both commands still include archivelog (sequence 71 - in this example). I dont know why. Help me please.

     

    I need to be able list only archive logs that have not been atleast once backed up to disk (OR list only archivelogs that have been backed 0 times to disk). In this case, example it should have excluded archlogsequence 71 file. It did not. I dont understand why.

     

    Please see the output.

     

    RMAN> list backup of archivelog all;

     

     

    specification does not match any backup in the repository

     

     

    RMAN> list archivelog all;

     

     

    List of Archived Log Copies for database with db_unique_name SR1

    =====================================================================

     

     

    Key     Thrd Seq     S Low Time

    ------- ---- ------- - ---------

    19415   1    70      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_70_91S99BHY_.ARC

     

     

    19416   1    71      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_71_91S99GFM_.ARC

     

     

    19417   1    72      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_72_91S99KHP_.ARC

     

     

    19418   1    73      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_73_91S99NCL_.ARC

     

     

     

     

    RMAN> backup archivelog sequence = 71;

     

     

    Starting backup at 27-AUG-13

    using channel ORA_DISK_1

    channel ORA_DISK_1: starting archived log backup set

    channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying archived log(s) in backup set

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=71 RECID=313 STAMP=824548206

    channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 27-AUG-13

    channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 27-AUG-13

    piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\BACKUPSET\2013_08_27\O1_MF_ANNNN_TAG20130827T091036_91S9BDQR_.BKP tag=TAG20130827T091036 comment=NONE

    channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:01

    Finished backup at 27-AUG-13

     

     

     

     

    RMAN> list backup of archivelog all;

     

     

     

     

    List of Backup Sets

    ===================

     

     

     

     

    BS Key  Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time

    ------- ---------- ----------- ------------ ---------------

    19697   9.00K      DISK        00:00:00     27-AUG-13

            BP Key: 19698   Status: AVAILABLE  Compressed: NO  Tag: TAG20130827T091036

            Piece Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\BACKUPSET\2013_08_27\O1_MF_ANNNN_TAG20130827T091036_91S9BDQR_.BKP

     

     

      List of Archived Logs in backup set 19697

      Thrd Seq     Low SCN    Low Time  Next SCN   Next Time

      ---- ------- ---------- --------- ---------- ---------

      1    71      4832738    27-AUG-13 4832752    27-AUG-13

     

     

    RMAN> list archivelog all backed up 0 times to device type disk;

     

     

    List of Archived Log Copies for database with db_unique_name SR1

    =====================================================================

     

     

    Key     Thrd Seq     S Low Time

    ------- ---- ------- - ---------

    19415   1    70      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_70_91S99BHY_.ARC

     

     

    19416   1    71      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_71_91S99GFM_.ARC

     

     

    19417   1    72      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_72_91S99KHP_.ARC

     

     

    19418   1    73      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_73_91S99NCL_.ARC

     

     

    RMAN> list archivelog all backed up 0 times to disk;

     

     

    List of Archived Log Copies for database with db_unique_name SR1

    =====================================================================

     

     

    Key     Thrd Seq     S Low Time

    ------- ---- ------- - ---------

    19415   1    70      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_70_91S99BHY_.ARC

     

     

    19416   1    71      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_71_91S99GFM_.ARC

     

     

    19417   1    72      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_72_91S99KHP_.ARC

     

     

    19418   1    73      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_73_91S99NCL_.ARC

  • 4. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    user8957255 Newbie
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    Hi DK2010,

    I did run the crosscheck archivelog all;

     

    I still am not able to list only archivelog files that have not been backed up to disk.

     

    The output I got is as follows. The output shows that the archivelogs (sequences 70, 71, 72, 73 are on disk - it still does not show me it excludes 71 which has already been backed up - please see my output in the above reply)

     

    Thanks for taking time to reply to my question.

     

    RMAN> crosscheck archivelog all;

     

    released channel: ORA_DISK_1

    allocated channel: ORA_DISK_1

    channel ORA_DISK_1: SID=139 device type=DISK

    validation succeeded for archived log

    archived log file name=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_70_91S99BHY_.ARC RECID=312 STAMP=824548202

    validation succeeded for archived log

    archived log file name=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_71_91S99GFM_.ARC RECID=313 STAMP=824548206

    validation succeeded for archived log

    archived log file name=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_72_91S99KHP_.ARC RECID=314 STAMP=824548209

    validation succeeded for archived log

    archived log file name=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_73_91S99NCL_.ARC RECID=315 STAMP=824548212

    Crosschecked 4 objects

  • 5. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    DK2010 Guru
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    Hi

     

    Try this Backup the sequence using the command BACKUP ARCHIVELOG SEQUENCE 71 DELETE INPUT;

    and then check it won't come is list.

  • 6. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    user8957255 Newbie
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    Hi,

    I know I could do that. But deleting backup archivelog sequence 71 does not do the job.  crosscheck will check with disk files for availability. If i delete 71 and 72 (delete 72 without a backup), then it will list 70 and 73 (basically lists whats on archivelog destination on disk) ...

     

    but the issue for me here, is to be able to, list which archivelogs really need backup. I want to be able list archivelogs that have not been backedup at all. The backup command does the job (but before doing the back up, I want a list of the archivelog files that need back), the backup command: backup archivelog all not backed up 1 times; this works.

     

    what i need is listing: list archivelog all not backed up 1 times (this does not work).

     

    RMAN> backup archivelog all not backed up 1 times;

     

     

    Starting backup at 27-AUG-13

    current log archived

    using channel ORA_DISK_1

    skipping archived log file C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_71_91S99GFM_.ARC; already backed up 1 time(s)

    channel ORA_DISK_1: starting archived log backup set

    channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying archived log(s) in backup set

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=70 RECID=312 STAMP=824548202

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=72 RECID=314 STAMP=824548209

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=73 RECID=315 STAMP=824548212

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=74 RECID=316 STAMP=824551447

    channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 27-AUG-13

    channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 27-AUG-13

    piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\BACKUPSET\2013_08_27\O1_MF_ANNNN_TAG20130827T100408_91SDGRR3_.BKP tag=TAG20130827T100408 comment=NONE

    channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:01

    Finished backup at 27-AUG-13

  • 7. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    EdStevens Guru
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    DK2010 wrote:

     

    Hi,

     

    You can check with  the Command

    RMAN>crosscheck archivelog all;

     

    HTH

    Please explain how a crosschek is supposed to report archivelogs that need to be backed up.

    the purpose of crosscheck is to determine if the archivelogs (or backups, if that is what you crosscheck) listed in the repository are still where the repository record says they are.  If they have gone missing, their record in the repository is flagged as 'expired'.  Has nothing to do with 'needing backup' 

  • 8. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    EdStevens Guru
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    user8957255 wrote:

     

    Hi,

    I know I could do that. But deleting backup archivelog sequence 71 does not do the job.  crosscheck will check with disk files for availability. If i delete 71 and 72 (delete 72 without a backup), then it will list 70 and 73 (basically lists whats on archivelog destination on disk) ...

     

    but the issue for me here, is to be able to, list which archivelogs really need backup. I want to be able list archivelogs that have not been backedup at all. The backup command does the job (but before doing the back up, I want a list of the archivelog files that need back), the backup command: backup archivelog all not backed up 1 times; this works.

     

    what i need is listing: list archivelog all not backed up 1 times (this does not work).

     

    RMAN> backup archivelog all not backed up 1 times;

     

     

    Starting backup at 27-AUG-13

    current log archived

    using channel ORA_DISK_1

    skipping archived log file C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_71_91S99GFM_.ARC; already backed up 1 time(s)

    channel ORA_DISK_1: starting archived log backup set

    channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying archived log(s) in backup set

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=70 RECID=312 STAMP=824548202

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=72 RECID=314 STAMP=824548209

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=73 RECID=315 STAMP=824548212

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=74 RECID=316 STAMP=824551447

    channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 27-AUG-13

    channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 27-AUG-13

    piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\BACKUPSET\2013_08_27\O1_MF_ANNNN_TAG20130827T100408_91SDGRR3_.BKP tag=TAG20130827T100408 comment=NONE

    channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:01

    Finished backup at 27-AUG-13

     

    I can certainly understand the intellectual curiosity, and off-hand I don't have an answer.  But from a pragmatic level, one has to wonder why you need to report this?  If you have a regularly scheduled job to backup your archivelogs, you know that at some point after said job runs you will start to collect new (and un-backed up) archivelogs.  So why need to report the ones that haven't yet been backed up.

     

    If this is for the clueless PHB (is that redundant?)  try this:

     

    rman target / << EOF

    backup archivelog all not backed up 1 times;

    exit

    EOF

    echo Archivelogs not backed up:

    echo No archivelogs to report.

  • 9. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    user8957255 Newbie
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    Hi EdStevens,

    Thanks for taking time, to reply to my question/posting. My question was simple. Rman seems to know which archlogsequences files need back up by "doing" the backup itself (backup archivelog all not backed up 1 times). So this means rman has a list inside its software which archlogfiles have not been backed up atleast once (never backedup). how can as a user(me) of rman can know that list. if rman knows it, i should be able to see the list. why not. fair?!?

     

    thanks for script that you provided. yes, it was my lack of knowledge of rman and some curiosity, I am trying to learn. not for my PHB

     

    thanks again.

  • 10. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    Hemant K Chitale Oracle ACE
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    Never tried this and I don't have access to a database to validate this .... but how about querying the BACKUP_COUNT column in V$ARCHIVED_LOG ?

     

    Hemant K Chitale

  • 11. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    user8957255 Newbie
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    Hi

    Hemant thanks for your reply.

     

    What you suggested was from sqlplus and querying backup count of v$archive_log view. Yes, this keeps track of backup count of each archivelogged file.

    I wanted to be able to list the archivelogseq files from RMAN with rman command.

     

    The issue was

    rman can list what has been backed up (list archivelog all backed up 1 times to disk)

    rman can backup (actual backup) (backup archivelog all not backed up times to disk)

    But, rman, does not like my syntax to list : list archivelog all not backed up 1 times to disk (rman doesnt like, "not backed up in" the list command).

     

    However I was able to find a workaround for this. This is backup validate archivelog. This doesnot do actual backup of archive log. but instead it checks and lists which have not been backedup,

    This is like validating the physical availability of the files. The limitation for my purpose of this command, seems to be even if 1 archivelog is missing ( i just renamed), it doesnt even list the archivelogs at all. but thats ok i guess. Another thing,

    it seems to switch the current log even if backup validate archivelog, output has errors or not. I guess that's because for safety sake current redolog  is switched and archive is created.

     

    Please see the output that I tried.

     

    RMAN> list archivelog all;

     

     

    List of Archived Log Copies for database with db_unique_name SR1

    =====================================================================

     

     

    Key     Thrd Seq     S Low Time

    ------- ---- ------- - ---------

    21621   1    79      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_79_91T8DX20_.ARC

     

     

    21622   1    80      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_80_91TJC1X5_.ARC

     

     

    21623   1    81      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_81_91TPMCF3_.ARC

     

     

    21624   1    82      A 27-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_82_91TXHOWH_.ARC

     

     

    21625   1    83      A 28-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_83_91VP011K_.ARC

     

     

    21626   1    84      A 28-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_84_91WC660R_.ARC

     

     

    21627   1    85      A 28-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_85_91X3S7C8_.ARC

     

     

    21628   1    86      A 28-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_86_91X4V58M_.ARC

     

     

    21629   1    87      A 28-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_87_91XBZHSV_.ARC

     

     

    21630   1    88      A 28-AUG-13

            Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_29\O1_MF_1_88_91XN64W8_.ARC

     

     

     

     

    RMAN> backup archivelog sequence=80;

     

     

    Starting backup at 29-AUG-13

    allocated channel: ORA_DISK_1

    channel ORA_DISK_1: SID=140 device type=DISK

    channel ORA_DISK_1: starting archived log backup set

    channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying archived log(s) in backup set

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=80 RECID=322 STAMP=824588199

    channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 29-AUG-13

    channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 29-AUG-13

    piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\BACKUPSET\2013_08_29\O1_MF_ANNNN_TAG20130829T071248_91YC5JPJ_.BKP tag=TAG20130829T071248 comment=NONE

    channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:03

    Finished backup at 29-AUG-13

     

     

     

    RMAN> backup validate archivelog all not backed up 1 times;

     

     

     

    Starting backup at 29-AUG-13

    current log archived

    using channel ORA_DISK_1

    skipping archived log file C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_80_91TJC1X5_.ARC; already backed up 1 time(s)

    channel ORA_DISK_1: starting archived log backup set

    channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying archived log(s) in backup set

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=79 RECID=321 STAMP=824580062

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=81 RECID=323 STAMP=824594611

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=82 RECID=324 STAMP=824601655

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=83 RECID=325 STAMP=824626754

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=84 RECID=326 STAMP=824648457

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=85 RECID=327 STAMP=824673645

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=86 RECID=328 STAMP=824674729

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=87 RECID=329 STAMP=824681009

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=88 RECID=330 STAMP=824690438

    input archived log thread=1 sequence=89 RECID=331 STAMP=824714047

    channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:15

    List of Archived Logs

    =====================

    Thrd Seq     Status Blocks Failing Blocks Examined Name

    ---- ------- ------ -------------- --------------- ---------------

    1    79      OK     0              76065           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_79_91T8DX20_.ARC

    1    81      OK     0              75798           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_27\O1_MF_1_81_91TPMCF3_.ARC

    1    82      OK     0              76217           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_82_91TXHOWH_.ARC

    1    83      OK     0              76202           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_83_91VP011K_.ARC

    1    84      OK     0              76389           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_84_91WC660R_.ARC

    1    85      OK     0              76122           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_85_91X3S7C8_.ARC

    1    86      OK     0              85711           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_86_91X4V58M_.ARC

    1    87      OK     0              77335           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_28\O1_MF_1_87_91XBZHSV_.ARC

    1    88      OK     0              76278           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_29\O1_MF_1_88_91XN64W8_.ARC

    1    89      OK     0              75391           C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\ARCHIVELOG\2013_08_29\O1_MF_1_89_91YC7YF5_.ARC

    Finished backup at 29-AUG-13

     

     

     

     

    RMAN> list backup of archivelog  from sequence 79;

     

     

     

     

    List of Backup Sets

    ===================

     

     

     

     

    BS Key  Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time

    ------- ---------- ----------- ------------ ---------------

    21641   40.79M     DISK        00:00:02     29-AUG-13

            BP Key: 21643   Status: AVAILABLE  Compressed: NO  Tag: TAG20130829T071248

            Piece Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\SR1\BACKUPSET\2013_08_29\O1_MF_ANNNN_TAG20130829T071248_91YC5JPJ_.BKP

     

     

      List of Archived Logs in backup set 21641

      Thrd Seq     Low SCN    Low Time  Next SCN   Next Time

      ---- ------- ---------- --------- ---------- ---------

      1    80      4884785    27-AUG-13 4899740    27-AUG-13

  • 12. Re: how to list archivelogs that need backup
    EdStevens Guru
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    user8957255 wrote:

     

    Hi EdStevens,

    Thanks for taking time, to reply to my question/posting. My question was simple. Rman seems to know which archlogsequences files need back up by "doing" the backup itself (backup archivelog all not backed up 1 times). So this means rman has a list inside its software which archlogfiles have not been backed up atleast once (never backedup). how can as a user(me) of rman can know that list. if rman knows it, i should be able to see the list. why not. fair?!?

     

    thanks for script that you provided. yes, it was my lack of knowledge of rman and some curiosity, I am trying to learn. not for my PHB

     

    thanks again.

     

    Fair enough.  It always helps clarify and focus a discussion if one understands the business problem being solved.  Else one spends a lot of time getting the wrong solution to the wrong problem.  In your case, the business problem is your own curiosity.  And that is a legitimate issue.  But just like anything else, now that we know that that is the "problem", we can better address it.

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