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Hallo Marim

my favorite translator https://www.deepl.com/translate  offers this:

  Grundsteinlegung

  Wegbereiter/in

  Spatenstich

But the other way round wegbereiter show forerunners or pioneer.

still confused

Kay

My favourite from these is Spatenstich -> groundbreaking ceremony

So this means we are beginning from start each time?

Absolutely awful. Looks like something the intern has done in their last few days to fill a bit of time.

There's a lot of new paradigms in development, so groundbreaking refers to the start of a new development.  In construction of major buildings or bridges, it is often accompanied by a ceremony.

From the database administrator point of view for enterprise apps, this is anathema.  You do not want creative means of doing accounting, or any other well structured or regulated application.  Beyond a certain amount of complexity, it takes time to evolve sensible and logical applications, especially with infrastructure evolution happening.  So you wind up with people saying "you don't need DBA's any more" "creative destruction is good" "devops" "agile" and so on, which only can apply to a small proportion of actual implementations.  As you add complexity, you exponentiate potential problems.

It's amazing anything works at all.  As we see everyday, a lot of it doesn't.  This may be acceptable in groundbreaking development, but not in actual implementation.

As others have noted, it makes for good marketing, which is not congruent with good practices.  You do need to sell a story to get things done, but that should not be confused with what you actually need to do from a software engineering perspective.

All these new paradigms aren't new.  They just demonstrate the inability to learn from the mistakes of the past.

So I understand that we (?) don't think "groundbreaking ceremony" is what is meant by the new nomenclature. This leaves this question unanswered.

The term Groundbreaker appears to continue the concept of gamification that was introduced as a requirement when merging with the Topliners community a few years ago. It won't help people to locate information and will continue to disappoint anyone with plans to use the platform to establish a reasonable online reputation and visibility. 

I believe participation will continue to drop, and loyal community members will continue to be disappointed until someone at Oracle has the guts to take the "free support" community more seriously.

Maybe the Zombie joke was more apt than we realise, the boards figures are dropping year by year (you might say the boards are dying?) and we continue coming, breaking ground with each morning and answering questions with the appearance of pseudo-life...

I have heard more than one OP express the opinion that he got better support here than through MOS and better advice than through his paid consultants, maybe that is something Oracle should be marketing?!

Robert Angel wrote:

 

I have heard more than one OP express the opinion that he got better support here than through MOS and better advice than through his paid consultants

This. So much this. Support is becoming abysmal and there is zero control over what integrators do.

I get so much work picking up the pieces after major consultancies charging big ticket prices implement solutions I would be ashamed to put my name to.

MOS technicians with rare exception add very little value to just searching MOS.

The spaces except the Community Feedback are back to normal layout. Should we take this as a good sign?

Robert Angel wrote:

 

I get so much work picking up the pieces after major consultancies charging big ticket prices implement solutions I would be ashamed to put my name to.

That is what's hurting Oracle more in terms of market appreciation than any "missing feature" compared to competitors.

Amen.

'Gold' partners who implement OBIEE solutions that render reports in minutes when it should be seconds, thanks to poor understanding of basic rpd modelling.

Perhaps the partner statuses should be audited by Oracle?

The Java spaces are still in the new layout. However, it's this way long before the 'Groundbreaker' change.

Nobody complained when Oracle made the change. I usually not interested in the layout. I answer questions, regardless of the layout, as long as there are questions. The number of questions is dropping. IT might be connected to the changes here, but it may simply because there are not as many new 'customers' using the products we are working on here. I know this is one reason but not the only one, at least for some spaces.

I personally don't like the term 'Groundbreaker' as I don't connect any technical forum with it. Anyway much is already said about this change. I'm missing some official response here

At the moment I don't understand the concept of the 'spaces'. When Oracle switched to the 'new' Jive software and wanted to get all spaces under one umbrella we said 'OK, if it's for the greater good...' (please don't start this discussion all over again!). Now there are new forums under the name Oracle Cloud Customer Connect' (https://cloudcustomerconnect.oracle.com/resources/9553a4c68d/summary).

What are they for?

Why double some spaces (a couple of spaces here are moved over to the new site)?

There you start all over again!

The term 'Forum' is back.

New look and feel, still there is some sort of gamification. Is it still Jive?

So, now we have two umbrellas.

Timo

What we've seen from similar situations is the the big names get their best people in to win the tender and kick off the project, then it's all off-shored.

As for the name of this community - I would say anything with "Developer" etc is too narrow. Why not just cut the marketing BS and call it what it is - "Oracle Community Support Forums".

Timo Hahn wrote:

 

Now there are new forums under the name Oracle Cloud Customer Connect' (https://cloudcustomerconnect.oracle.com/resources/9553a4c68d/summary).

What are they for?

Why double some spaces (a couple of spaces here are moved over to the new site)?

It's utterly confusing for people who aren't spending each day in these places.

Where to find what information?

Where to ask which question?

Is it all the same?

Is there a difference?

Is one more "official" than the other?

Which answer can I trust?

Who am I all of a sudden forced to double-post my question in many places, thus increasing effort and spreading out responses needlessly?