Yeah, lets just accept it on faith . . . .Ridiculous
I don't see it as a shame at all. It's a valuable reminder to ALWAYS VERIFY any claims of expertise . . . .personal confrontation in a communitity forums is a shame
It's never unreasonable to ask to see the credentials of anyone who gives advice here. In my experience I've noted that a real expert will boast about their extensive experience, a poser will hide their credentials.Why do you want his CV?
Have you seen his web site home page? It's there is big letters:JL never expressed him as a Expert
Have you seen his sig lines in forums, link spam city:and never publishe any links in the forums
Exactly! How do you know to take any Oracle experts advice?It not about accepting or not..It s about whether we are taking it or not...
Not at all. I'm simply following his own advice:are you trying to tell that Jonathan is a slicker or something?
No, of course not, I agree. (I specialize in tuning). However, I have verified experts in othaer areas of Oracle working for me. Here are their resume's, every one:Please don't tell me that you're professional on every subject of DBMS things.
Oracle consultantYou don't need to be a DBA whose career is very long to be good
Agreed, but it used to be different! Back in the days before the web, authors were carefully vetted for work experience. Even the first Chauncey DBA certification required verification of work experience . . . .I know that writing a good book is not a proof that the author is a good DBA or a real expert.
Yes, but as you yourself say, that does not make anyone an expert . . . Only training and experience does that.If his book has good impact on others, he should be honoured as some kind of professional.
So, it's not enough for seasoned experts to talk about what they have witnessed in real-world databases? For example, David Aldridge has general observations and opinions that are worth their weight in gold. Why? Because he is the real-deal, a non-anonymous professionals with verifiable credentials:Any points you should care to make should be technically demonstrated
It's neither childish nor petty to ask for evidence when someone presents themselves as an expert.this is not the place for your childish petty bickerings.
Yes! But OTN is not a "Faith Based Forum". There is a lot of bad advice proferred here every day by questionable "experts" and "Senior DBA's" . . . .We are here to talk Oracle.
If someone wants to say that they are an expert, fine, but theyYou posted a definition of expert few hours ago (EXPERT - having, involving, or displaying special skill or knowledge derived from training or experience). Based on it, it is simply impossible to provide some evidence. Please, admit it. In fact someone can only provide some evidence if he/she passed some kind of examination. And, IMHO, for Oracle Database such an examination doesn't exist yet. Therefore, everything else is matter of opinion.
should be prepared to show some evidence to back it up.
I wrote a note a couple of years ago about the difference between credentials and credibility - a simple Google search should find it.we are taking it or not...It not about accepting or not..It s about whether
Exactly! How do you know to take any Oracle experts
In the ultimate irony, Jonathan Lewis says thisNotice the psychology major at work here - employing the lessons learnt in "How People Tell Lies (101)". The quote says "question the answers" - but the paragraph changes this to "question the expertise". This type of technique is usually called the "straw man" argument. But not many people do it quite so blatantly. (By the way, can anyone find an example of where I get "snippy" when Burleson - or anyone else - asks for verification of my qualification ?).
himself, from his own sig line quote:
"The educated person is not the person
who can answer the questions, but the
person who can question the answers -- T. Schick Jr"
If it's OK to question the expertise of others, why
is so bad to question his own expertise? Jonathan
claims to have over a decade of Oracle work
experience, why does he get snippy when we ask for
After all, he recommends "questioning the answers" toLet's examine that "questioning the answers" in the light of this thread. This should be an instructive exercise, even though it doesn't address the original post; rather addressing the key requirement for doing well with Oracle: if you don't think things through carefully, you'll make big mistakes.
others . . . .
Does that not apply to himself?
Yes, it is straight-forward. Oracle has offered table reorg utilities for over a decade, and they are well-proven and reliable. Oracle now officially recommends tables (and indexes!) reorgs within the OEM segment advisor.It's not always as straight-forward as some people hope.
You as a Psychology major most probably know this technique called [url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem]argumentum ad hominem and love it, right?saidI'm not going to bother commenting on what you've
Of course not, it's a matter of Faith, right?
I know, I know, we need to stop challenging your
authority with these pesky demands for evidence.
Paranoid?permananent copy of what you said.I've just replied so that the thread has a
Twice, I see. Very paranoid and useless, yet