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      • 15. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
        justinkestelyn
        I've tried that, believe me. But some people can't help themselves. :(
        • 16. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
          598168
          Ok, understand....

          will give things a chance

          cheers

          :)
          • 17. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
            108476
            As a part time therapist
            Yeah right, sure you are. And I’m a part-time Gynecologist.

            If you are going to concoct a tall-tale, at least try to make it believeable . . . .

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            but denial is often common
            And so are fakers!

            I play golf with a therapist, and I wonder why someone would give-up a $400/hr. job as a psychiatrist to work with Oracle?

            No, wait, let me guess!

            You are a "massage" therapist, right?
            • 18. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
              jgarry
              burleson wrote:
              As a part time therapist
              Yeah right, sure you are. And I’m a part-time Gynecologist.

              If you are going to concoct a tall-tale, at least try to make it believeable . . . .

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              but denial is often common
              And so are fakers!

              I play golf with a therapist, and I wonder why someone would give-up a $400/hr. job as a psychiatrist to work with Oracle?

              No, wait, let me guess!

              You are a "massage therapist", right? Isn't that what they call escorts these days?
              LOL!

              But seriously, not all therapists are $400 psychiatrists. In California, you have to put in 3000 hours of professional slave labor (lucky to get minimum wage) (+test and advanced degree) before you can even get licensed and practice as a psychologist. Then many of the jobs are of the $35/hour (or less) variety - you can search online and see - and it's actually easier to get a job with a Masters than a Doctorate, and establishing a private practice is onerous. Some specialities are quite lucrative, contract special-ed, Dr. Drew types and such. But I know people that have switched from therapy (and lots of other things, from truck driver to policeman to musician to priest - and check out how many electrical engineers) to Oracle, and economics is often a reason. Your golf-playing friend may be as special as you are.
              • 19. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                BluShadow
                burleson wrote:
                As a part time therapist
                Yeah right, sure you are. And I’m a part-time Gynecologist.

                If you are going to concoct a tall-tale, at least try to make it believeable . . . .

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                but denial is often common
                And so are fakers!

                I play golf with a therapist, and I wonder why someone would give-up a $400/hr. job as a psychiatrist to work with Oracle?

                No, wait, let me guess!

                You are a "massage" therapist, right?
                I'm not a psychiatrist, but work with Hypnotherapy, NLP and other mind/psychology techniques. Software development is my main stable business (it pays the mortgage and is a reliable source of income as well as being what I've worked in for 28 years) as there's been a recent boom in the therapy field in the UK recently and competition is hard, and we certainly don't get paid $400/hr... £60/hr (what's that? about $80) is the usual unless you work in London. The UK doesn't have as big a "therapy culture" as in the US (yet) i.e. people are less likely to seek out therapy because it's not seen as the "thing to do".

                So please do not assume that you know better than I whether I am a part time therapist or not. I'm not a liar or concocter of tall tales, and I'm not a faker.
                • 20. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                  598168
                  jkestely wrote:
                  I've tried that, believe me. But some people can't help themselves. :(
                  having just read the latest entries I can well believe that......... and its not Blushadow who I am talking about.

                  Edited by: 595165 on Dec 10, 2008 3:33 AM
                  • 21. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                    108476
                    but work with Hypnotherapy
                    This I can believe.

                    I saw one of you guys in a Las Vegas act once, very entertaining.


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                    I'm not a faker.
                    You insulted me this way: "As a part time therapist I can tell you it comes down to control issues and ego."

                    That violates every tenet of professional ethics. . .

                    No real therapist would write this about someone they have never met.

                    My first job in college was working in the psychology department at a University, and I can attest that I've never met such a groups of mentally disturbed people.

                    Personality disorders, drug addicts, whack jobs, fruits and nuts . . .

                    Tell me, why are emotionally disturbed flakes attracted to therapy jobs?

                    I suspect that most therapists are seeking a cure for their own problems.

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                    I'm not a liar or concocter of tall tales
                    If that were true, you would have posted proof of your qualifications!

                    You didn't, because you are fundamentaly insecure and you would feel threatened.

                    You feel safe under the cloak on anonymity and you would not be able to handle it emotionally if anyone knew who you really are.

                    How does that make you feel?
                    • 22. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                      BluShadow
                      burleson wrote:
                      but work with Hypnotherapy
                      This I can believe.

                      I saw one of you guys in a Las Vegas act once, very entertaining.
                      There's a world of difference between a stage hypnotist and a theraputic hypnotist. Clearly you know nothing of the theraputic field or you would know that.

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                      I'm not a faker.
                      You insulted me this way: "As a part time therapist I can tell you it comes down to control issues and ego."
                      It was not an insult, it was an observation in answer to another members question.
                      We all have ego and we all seek to take control. To deny this is to deny your own existence, and to be insulted by such a statement only highlights your own perception of something you are perhaps afraid to admit to.

                      That violates every tenet of professional ethics. . .

                      No real therapist would write this about someone they have never met.

                      My first job in college was working in the psychology department at the University of New Mexico, and I can attest that I've never met such a groups of mentally disturbed people.

                      Personality disorders, drug addicts, whack jobs, fruits and nuts . . .

                      Tell me, why are emotionally disturbed flakes attracted to therapy jobs?
                      And that's a very professionally ethical thing you are saying about me is it? So you are saying I'm mentally disturbed, I have a personality disorder, I'm a drug addict etc?
                      I believe saying such personal things about a person would be construed as bullying and against this forums terms and conditions of conduct.

                      I suspect that most therapists are seeking a cure for their own problems.
                      Further evidence you know nothing about therapists.

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                      I'm not a liar or concocter of tall tales
                      If that were true, you would have posted proof of your qualifications!

                      You didn't, because you are fundamentaly insecure and you would feel threatened.

                      You feel safe under the cloak on anonymity and you would not be able to handle it emotionally if anyone knew who you really are.

                      How does that make you feel?
                      I'm perfectly fine thank you.
                      I do not have to prove my qualifications here, this is an Oracle technical forum and my experience and knowledge of Oracle is shown in my posts and assistance I give freely to others.
                      As you seem to be so knowledgable in matters of psychology I am surprised you are not doing a $400/hr job rather than wasting your time posting on an Oracle forum that you seem to despise so much.

                      My "anonymity" is enforced by the place that I work for, otherwise I would not be permitted to use the forums; this has nothing to do with my personality and is not my choice. I go by my own name elsewhere on the internet, but do take care of how much information I give out about myself, especially since a couple of incidents of being stalked and threatened by people for no valid reason (people I've not even communicated with).

                      Thank you for your comments, but you are so wrong in all things you have said about me, so perhaps you'd better stick to giving advice about databases which is what this forum is for.

                      Kind regards
                      • 23. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                        108476
                        Clearly you know nothing of the theraputic field or you would know that.
                        And you don't seem to be able to detect humor!


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                        It was not an insult
                        Yes it was. I have no control issues and you are a **** for saying that.

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                        So you are saying I'm mentally disturbed
                        Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

                        I am saying that your occuption has higher than average percentage of weirdos. Way higher.

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                        As you seem to be so knowledgable in matters of psychology I am surprised you are not doing a $400/hr job rather
                        Yeah, I have a 4-year degree in patchology, and I'll bet I've had more training in clinical psychology than you have . . .

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                        I am surprised you are not doing a $400/hr job rather
                        Why would I take the pay cut??

                        http://www.dba-oracle.com/consulting_prices.htm#burleson
                        • 24. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                          BluShadow
                          burleson wrote:
                          And you don't seem to be able to detect humor!
                          Your posts do not come across at all humourous.

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                          It was not an insult
                          Yes it was. I have no control issues and you are a **** for saying that.
                          But we all have control issues. I have control issues. I have ego. I'm happy to admit that. Surely you want control of your own life? To do that you have to seek to control those around you that are influences on your life.

                          Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

                          I am saying that your occuption has higher than average percentage of weirdos. Way higher.
                          Can you provide me with a trace file for that? I can't see the evidence. ;)

                          Yeah, I have a 4-year degree in patchology, and I'll bet I've had more training in clinical psychology than you have . . .
                          So, tell me about your mother. (yes that's a Freudian joke)
                          Seriously though, there are doubts that clinical psychology really benefits a person. It is believed in some schools of research that CP actually reinforces a persons issues, only giving them temporary reprieve from their issues by the fact they've been able to talk about them. It doesn't go back and deal with the root causes of the issues. But, hey what do I know, I'm no expert (apparently).

                          I am surprised you are not doing a $400/hr job rather
                          Why would I take the pay cut??

                          http://www.dba-oracle.com/consulting_prices.htm#burleson
                          Well you say you haven't got control issues, but you're showing the ego. ;)
                          • 25. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                            588568
                            I was once told that I needed therapy for a dual personality complex. Dual personality? Me? No way? And me neither!
                            • 26. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                              Boneist
                              595165 wrote:
                              having just read the latest entries I can well believe that....
                              That's the thing - qualifications can only imply so much about a person; it's the things they say/do that reveals the most. The impressions I've got about people in the OTN forums are based on the things they've written in the forum (and, possibly outside too, if I know the forum id's of the people whose blogs I follow). People reveal their qualifications, knowledge and willingness to learn in what they write - you can easily spot the newbies who are just wanting to get someone else to write their homework just as you can spot the self-proclaimed experts who hate being corrected, because they already know best.

                              The people who I consider to be experts don't mind making mistakes, provide test cases where possible, learn along with the rest of us and share their knowledge freely. The experts I respect are also those who don't get defensive when people point out problems, nor make unwarranted personal jibes.

                              I believe that other people have very different views on what an "expert" is classed as, though. {noformat}*shrugs*{noformat} YMMV!
                              • 27. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                                jgarry
                                BluShadow wrote:
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                                I suspect that most therapists are seeking a cure for their own problems.
                                Further evidence you know nothing about therapists.
                                I must say, Don has a relevant suspicion here, at least if you read it as motivation for people to get into the field. Doesn't apply to everyone, but there are some definite nutcases. Of course, there seems to be a lot of paranoid in the set of people you could call "extremely bright engineers..." (I'm not referring to anyone in this thread, or anyone they've sparred with - though [this little nugget |http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081210/news_1n10fair.html] kind of made me wonder about my own motivations at times).

                                Getting back to the original post, I can understand why Oracle might have concerns linking externally, I once clicked on a link at orafaq that had been taken over by porn, the very nice orafaq fellow was grateful someone told him about it. But I did have to tell the IT people why I set off all the flashing red and blue lights of the surf monitor.
                                • 28. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                                  108476
                                  Hi,
                                  Your posts do not come across at all humourous.
                                  Yeah, that's the problem when people are not face-to-face, and I've never used emoticons!

                                  On the other hand, I guess it was not too funny . . .

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                                  Can you provide me with a trace file for that? I can't see the evidence
                                  Ah, the winkie thingie. Actually, I've seen stidies from MMPI results, but I cannot find it . . .

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                                  Seriously though, there are doubts that clinical psychology really benefits a person.
                                  Studies too, that show equal "repair" over time from turumatic events, with and without therapy. Time heals all wounds . . .

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                                  But, hey what do I know, I'm no expert (apparently).
                                  Hey, I didn't say that . . .

                                  The truth is, nobody knows. We don't even know your name.

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                                  but you're showing the ego.
                                  Without ego, we have no sense of self, if I recall Freud correctly . . .
                                  • 29. Re: ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY:  link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?
                                    BluShadow
                                    HarryP wrote:
                                    I was once told that I needed therapy for a dual personality complex. Dual personality? Me? No way? And me neither!
                                    That's ok, I'm happy to treat you both at once, however my fees are per personality. ;)

                                    burleson wrote:
                                    But, hey what do I know, I'm no expert (apparently).
                                    Hey, I didn't say that . . .

                                    The truth is, nobody knows. We don't even know your name.
                                    A lot of friends call me by my nickname of Blu so BluShadow is good enough. ;)
                                    but you're showing the ego.
                                    Without ego, we have no sense of self, if I recall Freud correctly . . .
                                    Correct according to Freud. However the ego only gives us the "self" (small S) whereas the true Self (capital S) in Vedic teachings can only be recognised when we free ourselves of ego. However, we digress into philosophy, so let's leave it there. :)
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