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Some initial questions - IDE, scripting, installation, ADF and Rules

6416
6416 Member Posts: 365
edited Aug 17, 2006 2:14AM in SOA Suite Discusssions
Hi, having just quickly browsed the quick starters guide I noticed amongst other
things the following line:
"Oracle JDeveloper is the development component of Oracle SOA Suite."
Does this mean that Oracle isn't planning on supporting
any other IDE,say Eclipse, to create SOA solutions based on the Oracle stack?
How is this decision going to affect the work/effort that Oracle is delivering
for the Eclipse bpel plugin (http://www.eclipse.org/bpel/)?
Will Oracle stop pursuing a viable Eclipse BPEL plugin?

On a different note - referring to another question (on the OC4J forum) I asked -
I learned that 10.1.3.1.0 would have support for Groovy scripting, or so says
Steve Button in 1385732
Is this really the case?

In that same topic he says:
"Worth noting is that the production 10.1.3.1 distribution will be able to be applied as"
"a patch to an existing 10.1.3.0 installation to bring it up to 10.1.3.1 -- or it can be" 
"installed as a fresh instance giving you 10.1.3.1. right out of the box."
As my download is still going to take I while, and I haven't found anything in the
installation manual about a "patch update" - I am wondering whether this has
made it into this developer's preview?

Just to be sure. There is mention in the quick starters guide of ADF:
"Oracle ADF is a model-driven SOA framework that automates and manages"
"businesses and data services and provides a standard data-and-service-binding"
"layer based on JSR 227 that can be used with process flows, page flows, and"
"service invocations."
Can somebody confirm that ADF is not "hard-wired" into any of the actual, runtime
components of the Oracle SOA Suite?

And (for now) finally;
Are there any plans for Oracle Business Rules to support assertions on XML Facts,
without the necessity to use JAXB as an intermediary step? So instead of this use
direct XPath and/or XQuery logic?

Comments

  • ad 1-JDeveloper) we see JDeveloper as the integrated IDE to support the full cycle of SOA development from service to process and further .. However we are fully commited to the BPEL designer on eclipse effort

    ad 2-Patch as it states "a patch to an existing 10.1.3.0" as you are installing 10.1.3.1 - you have the support out of the box, therfor no need for patching.

    ad 3-ADF) Oracle ADF runs on an number of other appservers, and is at the end of the day a bunch of java-libs ..

    Clemens Utschig
    Oracle SOA Product Management
  • 6416
    6416 Member Posts: 365
    ad 3-ADF) Oracle ADF runs on an number of other
    appservers, and is at the end of the day a bunch of
    java-libs ..
    That didn't quite answer my question, so I'll try to rephrase.
    Does

    a) the runtime part of the SOA Suite by default use Oracle ADF runtime libraries and
    b) the SOA Suite require the use of ADF for custom build service endpoints
  • 322036
    322036 Member Posts: 1,626
    a) the runtime part of the SOA Suite by default use Oracle ADF runtime libraries --- yes -> BPEL reports (leverage BC4J) and HW-> ADF coreb) the SOA Suite require the use of ADF for custom build service endpoints
    -- no
  • 6416
    6416 Member Posts: 365
    A follow up to "mesriniv"'s answer:

    "ad 2-Patch as it states "a patch to an existing 10.1.3.0" as you are installing 10.1.3.1 - you have the support out of the box, therfor no need for patching."

    Not sure I understand. Suppose I have an existing 10.1.3.0.0 installation, is there a way to patch/upgrade that instance to 10.1.3.1.0?

    Futhermore: any idea about the scripting support in 10.1.3.1.0
    as mentioned/asked in my initial post?
  • 322036
    322036 Member Posts: 1,626
    edited Aug 17, 2006 2:14AM
    The patch is something for the final GA release - I doubt being there before this time, but xchecking with oc4j forums might be worth..

    scripting - SOA forums are the wrong place to seek for an answer on this, and as it might be interesiting for other users too - I'd recommend posting this in the OC4J forums ..

    hth clemens
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