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Let's talk about using Forms in Cloud

Michael Ferrante-Oracle
Michael Ferrante-Oracle Senior Principal Product ManagerUSMember Posts: 6,911 Employee
edited Aug 17, 2021 12:15PM in Forms

The results of a recently posted survey suggested that some Oracle Forms customers were unaware that Forms could be used (installed) in Cloud. This somewhat surprised me because with so much discussion about it lately, it seems unlikely that anyone would miss those discussions.

With that in mind, I wanted to open a discussion so that you can comment or ask questions about your thoughts on Forms in Cloud. If you have previously or are currently using Forms in Cloud, please share your feedback and suggestions. If you have not tried Forms in Cloud and have questions, let's talk.

For a quick start way into using Forms in Cloud, check out the Forms in Marketplace option.

https://cloudmarketplace.oracle.com/marketplace/app/OracleForms


Michael Ferrante

Senior Principal Product Manager

Oracle

Twitter: @OracleFormsPM

Comments

  • Matej D.
    Matej D. Member Posts: 1,025 Gold Trophy

    We are using forms/reports in the cloud since February 2020.

    So far, we did not have a single problem in any area of using Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, highly recommended.

    Regards

  • Michael Ferrante-Oracle
    Michael Ferrante-Oracle Senior Principal Product Manager USMember Posts: 6,911 Employee

    @Matthew D.

    Thank you for the feedback. Don't forget, if you are using the Forms Marketplace image, you can rate it on the listing page. Customer feedback with help others make their choice to use it or not.

    https://cloudmarketplace.oracle.com/marketplace/app/OracleForms


    Michael Ferrante

    Senior Principal Product Manager

    Oracle

    Twitter: @OracleFormsPM

  • Frank Christian
    Frank Christian Member Posts: 8 Blue Ribbon

    I can recommend using ORACLE cloud for development and production

    We develope all our ORACLE Forms/Reports applications in the cloud for more than four years now. In Germany there are two Cloud Centers. With ORACLE Frankfurt-1 there is great modern CLOUD Center and near by is another fast Microsoft AZURE CLOUD Center. We also run two applications in production for our government customers on ORACLE cloud.

    First option is to place everything in the ORACLE CLOUD. Formsserver, Database and Webserver.

    Second option in Germany and maybe other countries too is to use Oracle Cloud in combination with Microsoft Azure Frankfurt-1 which seems to be in the same building as the Oracle cloud. We messure a latency between the two cloud centers of 2ms. So they could access each other very fast.

    You could host a microsoft application at azure and use the database from ORACLE cloud or you install and create your Oracle Forms Infrastructure in a Microsoft cloud on a WIndows2019 server and access the development or production database of the Oracle cloud on a ORACLE UNIX Server.

    The benefits are the price, stability, availibilty, and small AlwaysFree Server in the ORACLE cloud. Within 1 hour you can build up a complete infrastructure with Firewall, static IP, Forms, Reports, Webserver with MOD_OWA, Database and backup mechanism. In the last three years I had not a single connection issue. With Image copies you can backup your servers fast and easy. A nice option is to scale the server on demand and to shut it down if not needed to save money. You can create your own custom image to replicate your Forms Installations or use the ORACLE LINUX Forms Reports Image if you need a Unix installtion.

    Frank

    JamesG.
  • Michael Ferrante-Oracle
    Michael Ferrante-Oracle Senior Principal Product Manager USMember Posts: 6,911 Employee

    @Frank Christian

    Great feedback. Thank you.

    Don't forget, if you run "Oracle" on "Oracle" you may be entitled for significant discounts in Support. Be sure to review this:

    https://www.oracle.com/cloud/rewards


    Michael Ferrante

    Senior Principal Product Manager

    Oracle

    Twitter: @OracleFormsPM

  • Carlos Cortez
    Carlos Cortez Member Posts: 586 Silver Badge

    Hi Michael,

    One of our customers is planing to migrate his on premise datacenter to cloud, he is using Forms 12c with 18c Database.

    He asks if there is any way to measure how Forms would perform in the cloud. He has the doubt about if the current bandwidth he has is sufficient, since he uses FSAL on the end users' machines.

    Best regards.

  • Michael Ferrante-Oracle
    Michael Ferrante-Oracle Senior Principal Product Manager USMember Posts: 6,911 Employee

    First, I do not recommend using DB 18. It is not an LTS (Long Term Support) release and is not certified for use with Forms. You can, however use DB 19.3 with Forms 12.2.1.4.

    Regarding testing, you would do that no differently than you would do your testing on-prem. That said, using FSAL will result in better performance than other configuration options. Also, keep in mind that your performance (server to client) will be based on the Cloud shape and configuration you use. For example an under-powered and/or over tasked machine will perform poorly. So be sure to run some tests and properly configure your environment. The good news is that because you are using Cloud, changing Cloud shape of an existing instance is easy. So if performance isn't quite what you prefer. Stop the instance, make some adjustments, restart, and retest.

    And like with any computer system, some basics still apply even when using Cloud. For example, if you have a middle-tier environment in region A and on sub-net X, but your DB is in region B on sub-net Y, and the users are in region C on sub-net Z then performance will not look the same as if all layers were more consolidated. Obviously in some cases this is not at all possible, but it is something to think about when choosing how to layout the topology.


    Michael Ferrante

    Senior Principal Product Manager

    Oracle

    Twitter: @OracleFormsPM

    JamesG.
  • Michael Ferrante-Oracle
    Michael Ferrante-Oracle Senior Principal Product Manager USMember Posts: 6,911 Employee

    Are you using the Oracle Forms Marketplace image in Cloud? If so, you are running Oracle Linux. Did you know that OS Management can automate many OS patching tasks in Oracle Linux? Check it out...

    https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/os-management/osms

    https://blogs.oracle.com/cloud-infrastructure/post/os-management-with-oracle-cloud-infrastructure

    If you're not already using Forms in Cloud, give it a try. It's a great way to try out the latest version, or quickly provision a test machine, or even run your production applications.

    https://cloudmarketplace.oracle.com/marketplace/app/OracleForms


    Michael Ferrante

    Senior Principal Product Manager

    Oracle

    Twitter: @OracleFormsPM

  • Michael Ferrante-Oracle
    Michael Ferrante-Oracle Senior Principal Product Manager USMember Posts: 6,911 Employee

    We are working on the next update for the Forms Marketplace image. If you have any suggestions, please use this thread to share those ideas.

    If you any general Forms features ideas, please share them in the following thread:

    https://community.oracle.com/tech/developers/discussion/4336803/oracle-forms-new-feature-ideas#latest


    Michael Ferrante

    Senior Principal Product Manager

    Oracle

    Twitter: @OracleFormsPM