ATTENTION JUSTIN KESTELY: link to ORAFAQ forum when this one is down?

Barbara Boehmer

Justin,

How would you feel about a reciprocal agreement with the ORAFAQ forums that, when either is down, the error message includes a link to the other forum? The ORAFAQ forum administrator Frank Naude brought the subject up here:

http://www.orafaq.com/forum/t/128205/0/unread/43710/#msg_361172

Regards,
Barbara

P.S. I am a moderator on the ORAFAQ forums as well as an ACE on the OTN forums.

justinkestelyn

Hi Barbara, probably not possible due to Terms of Use issues but I will check.

598168

I would suggest also that some of the more "senior" members of orafaq are quite curt and short and unhelpful to a number of questions that have been asked on the forum, we do not need that on OTN.

regards

BluShadow

595165 wrote:
I would suggest also that some of the more "senior" members of orafaq are quite curt and short and unhelpful to a number of questions that have been asked on the forum, we do not need that on OTN.

You obviously haven't been on OTN that long, there are people like that here too.

Aman....

Hmm not sure that whether I do come in the old-timers over here category or not but still , I haven't seen "many" like that over here.I understand that at times, some are very basic questions but I feel, everyone must have asked some thing like that atleast for once when he/she started himself.
I haven't been over Orafaq forums much though I do read the threads time to time without participating in them.The difference which I saw over here and there is,the experts over here are much more helpful and even when mention a doc answer, they don't just point to ocean of it.They actually point to the right page where the answer lies.That's a huge difference I believe.
Just a me-too post :-).
Aman....

Tony Garabedian

Wouldn't that be like, Oracle's promoting ORAFAQ????
And it would also drive members to post ORAFAQ Links in OTN threads for solutions, questions etc......

One thing would be nice, when the Forums are down the error page can include a link to the [url http://www.oracle.com/technology/documentation/index.html]Oracle Documentation. This would also encourage some members to search for their solutions.


Tony

598168

well been on for a year and a bit and yes there are some rude (ish) people but nothing like ORAFAQ

this is a much cleaner env to post questions queries etc

imho anyway

ty

108476

yes there are some rude (ish) people but nothing like ORAFAQ

I've never been on OIraFAQ, but I've seen plenty of self-appointed "experts" on OTN, peddling nonsense and treating others with disrespect.

You don't see this on IBM or Microsoft forums, as they enforce their TOS and vet people's credentials.

A forum is only as good as the moderators, IMHO. . . .

Boneist

burleson wrote:
I've never been on OIraFAQ, but I've seen plenty of self-appointed "experts" on OTN, peddling nonsense and treating others with disrespect.

Oh, the irony...

You don't see this on IBM or Microsoft forums, as they enforce their TOS and vet people's credentials.

A forum is only as good as the moderators, IMHO. . . .

One wonders why someone who dislikes the way things are run on these forums, not to mention the way people can be anonymous and not have to list their credentials, still bothers to post here.

BluShadow

Boneist wrote:
One wonders why someone who dislikes the way things are run on these forums, not to mention the way people can be anonymous and not have to list their credentials, still bothers to post here.

As a part time therapist I can tell you it comes down to control issues and ego. I expect Mr B won't agree with that, but denial is often common.

598168

lmao

598168

burleson wrote:

yes there are some rude (ish) people but nothing like ORAFAQ

I've never been on OIraFAQ, but I've seen plenty of self-appointed "experts" on OTN, peddling nonsense and treating others with disrespect.

You don't see this on IBM or Microsoft forums, as they enforce their TOS and vet people's credentials.

A forum is only as good as the moderators, IMHO. . . .

have just changed my mind about OTN forums

sadly we get threads like this

http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=833016&tstart=0&start=60

I cannot believe how childish some people are.

it beggars belief

I think it is time to find another forum

2 down how many more to go?

justinkestelyn

Please do not judge a community of 700K+ users based on the actions of half a dozen. We tamp down the flames when we hear about them.

Karthick2003

Best solution would be to make sure that OTN is never down!!!

598168

Hello Justin,
Sadly however it is threads like this which cause issues and make the forum not what it should be. Would it be possible to ask Don and Jonathan to stop squabbling like children and work as a team to help the OP, just an idea.

regards

justinkestelyn

I've tried that, believe me. But some people can't help themselves.

598168

Ok, understand....

will give things a chance

cheers

108476

As a part time therapist

Yeah right, sure you are. And I’m a part-time Gynecologist.

If you are going to concoct a tall-tale, at least try to make it believeable . . . .

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but denial is often common

And so are fakers!

I play golf with a therapist, and I wonder why someone would give-up a $400/hr. job as a psychiatrist to work with Oracle?

No, wait, let me guess!

You are a "massage" therapist, right?

jgarry

burleson wrote:

As a part time therapist

Yeah right, sure you are. And I’m a part-time Gynecologist.

If you are going to concoct a tall-tale, at least try to make it believeable . . . .

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but denial is often common

And so are fakers!

I play golf with a therapist, and I wonder why someone would give-up a $400/hr. job as a psychiatrist to work with Oracle?

No, wait, let me guess!

You are a "massage therapist", right? Isn't that what they call escorts these days?

LOL!

But seriously, not all therapists are $400 psychiatrists. In California, you have to put in 3000 hours of professional slave labor (lucky to get minimum wage) (+test and advanced degree) before you can even get licensed and practice as a psychologist. Then many of the jobs are of the $35/hour (or less) variety - you can search online and see - and it's actually easier to get a job with a Masters than a Doctorate, and establishing a private practice is onerous. Some specialities are quite lucrative, contract special-ed, Dr. Drew types and such. But I know people that have switched from therapy (and lots of other things, from truck driver to policeman to musician to priest - and check out how many electrical engineers) to Oracle, and economics is often a reason. Your golf-playing friend may be as special as you are.

BluShadow

burleson wrote:

As a part time therapist

Yeah right, sure you are. And I’m a part-time Gynecologist.

If you are going to concoct a tall-tale, at least try to make it believeable . . . .

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but denial is often common

And so are fakers!

I play golf with a therapist, and I wonder why someone would give-up a $400/hr. job as a psychiatrist to work with Oracle?

No, wait, let me guess!

You are a "massage" therapist, right?

I'm not a psychiatrist, but work with Hypnotherapy, NLP and other mind/psychology techniques. Software development is my main stable business (it pays the mortgage and is a reliable source of income as well as being what I've worked in for 28 years) as there's been a recent boom in the therapy field in the UK recently and competition is hard, and we certainly don't get paid $400/hr... £60/hr (what's that? about $80) is the usual unless you work in London. The UK doesn't have as big a "therapy culture" as in the US (yet) i.e. people are less likely to seek out therapy because it's not seen as the "thing to do".

So please do not assume that you know better than I whether I am a part time therapist or not. I'm not a liar or concocter of tall tales, and I'm not a faker.

598168

jkestely wrote:
I've tried that, believe me. But some people can't help themselves.

having just read the latest entries I can well believe that......... and its not Blushadow who I am talking about.

Edited by: 595165 on Dec 10, 2008 3:33 AM

108476

but work with Hypnotherapy

This I can believe.

I saw one of you guys in a Las Vegas act once, very entertaining.


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I'm not a faker.

You insulted me this way: "As a part time therapist I can tell you it comes down to control issues and ego."

That violates every tenet of professional ethics. . .

No real therapist would write this about someone they have never met.

My first job in college was working in the psychology department at a University, and I can attest that I've never met such a groups of mentally disturbed people.

Personality disorders, drug addicts, whack jobs, fruits and nuts . . .

Tell me, why are emotionally disturbed flakes attracted to therapy jobs?

I suspect that most therapists are seeking a cure for their own problems.

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I'm not a liar or concocter of tall tales

If that were true, you would have posted proof of your qualifications!

You didn't, because you are fundamentaly insecure and you would feel threatened.

You feel safe under the cloak on anonymity and you would not be able to handle it emotionally if anyone knew who you really are.

How does that make you feel?

BluShadow

burleson wrote:

but work with Hypnotherapy

This I can believe.

I saw one of you guys in a Las Vegas act once, very entertaining.

There's a world of difference between a stage hypnotist and a theraputic hypnotist. Clearly you know nothing of the theraputic field or you would know that.

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I'm not a faker.

You insulted me this way: "As a part time therapist I can tell you it comes down to control issues and ego."

It was not an insult, it was an observation in answer to another members question.
We all have ego and we all seek to take control. To deny this is to deny your own existence, and to be insulted by such a statement only highlights your own perception of something you are perhaps afraid to admit to.

That violates every tenet of professional ethics. . .

No real therapist would write this about someone they have never met.

My first job in college was working in the psychology department at the University of New Mexico, and I can attest that I've never met such a groups of mentally disturbed people.

Personality disorders, drug addicts, whack jobs, fruits and nuts . . .

Tell me, why are emotionally disturbed flakes attracted to therapy jobs?

And that's a very professionally ethical thing you are saying about me is it? So you are saying I'm mentally disturbed, I have a personality disorder, I'm a drug addict etc?
I believe saying such personal things about a person would be construed as bullying and against this forums terms and conditions of conduct.

I suspect that most therapists are seeking a cure for their own problems.

Further evidence you know nothing about therapists.

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I'm not a liar or concocter of tall tales

If that were true, you would have posted proof of your qualifications!

You didn't, because you are fundamentaly insecure and you would feel threatened.

You feel safe under the cloak on anonymity and you would not be able to handle it emotionally if anyone knew who you really are.

How does that make you feel?

I'm perfectly fine thank you.
I do not have to prove my qualifications here, this is an Oracle technical forum and my experience and knowledge of Oracle is shown in my posts and assistance I give freely to others.
As you seem to be so knowledgable in matters of psychology I am surprised you are not doing a $400/hr job rather than wasting your time posting on an Oracle forum that you seem to despise so much.

My "anonymity" is enforced by the place that I work for, otherwise I would not be permitted to use the forums; this has nothing to do with my personality and is not my choice. I go by my own name elsewhere on the internet, but do take care of how much information I give out about myself, especially since a couple of incidents of being stalked and threatened by people for no valid reason (people I've not even communicated with).

Thank you for your comments, but you are so wrong in all things you have said about me, so perhaps you'd better stick to giving advice about databases which is what this forum is for.

Kind regards

108476

Clearly you know nothing of the theraputic field or you would know that.

And you don't seem to be able to detect humor!


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It was not an insult

Yes it was. I have no control issues and you are a **** for saying that.

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So you are saying I'm mentally disturbed

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I am saying that your occuption has higher than average percentage of weirdos. Way higher.

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As you seem to be so knowledgable in matters of psychology I am surprised you are not doing a $400/hr job rather

Yeah, I have a 4-year degree in patchology, and I'll bet I've had more training in clinical psychology than you have . . .

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I am surprised you are not doing a $400/hr job rather

Why would I take the pay cut??

http://www.dba-oracle.com/consulting_prices.htm#burleson

BluShadow

burleson wrote:
And you don't seem to be able to detect humor!

Your posts do not come across at all humourous.

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It was not an insult

Yes it was. I have no control issues and you are a **** for saying that.

But we all have control issues. I have control issues. I have ego. I'm happy to admit that. Surely you want control of your own life? To do that you have to seek to control those around you that are influences on your life.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I am saying that your occuption has higher than average percentage of weirdos. Way higher.

Can you provide me with a trace file for that? I can't see the evidence.

Yeah, I have a 4-year degree in patchology, and I'll bet I've had more training in clinical psychology than you have . . .

So, tell me about your mother. (yes that's a Freudian joke)
Seriously though, there are doubts that clinical psychology really benefits a person. It is believed in some schools of research that CP actually reinforces a persons issues, only giving them temporary reprieve from their issues by the fact they've been able to talk about them. It doesn't go back and deal with the root causes of the issues. But, hey what do I know, I'm no expert (apparently).

I am surprised you are not doing a $400/hr job rather

Why would I take the pay cut??

http://www.dba-oracle.com/consulting_prices.htm#burleson

Well you say you haven't got control issues, but you're showing the ego.

588568

I was once told that I needed therapy for a dual personality complex. Dual personality? Me? No way? And me neither!

Boneist

595165 wrote:
having just read the latest entries I can well believe that....

That's the thing - qualifications can only imply so much about a person; it's the things they say/do that reveals the most. The impressions I've got about people in the OTN forums are based on the things they've written in the forum (and, possibly outside too, if I know the forum id's of the people whose blogs I follow). People reveal their qualifications, knowledge and willingness to learn in what they write - you can easily spot the newbies who are just wanting to get someone else to write their homework just as you can spot the self-proclaimed experts who hate being corrected, because they already know best.

The people who I consider to be experts don't mind making mistakes, provide test cases where possible, learn along with the rest of us and share their knowledge freely. The experts I respect are also those who don't get defensive when people point out problems, nor make unwarranted personal jibes.

I believe that other people have very different views on what an "expert" is classed as, though. {noformat}*shrugs*{noformat} YMMV!

jgarry

BluShadow wrote:
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I suspect that most therapists are seeking a cure for their own problems.

Further evidence you know nothing about therapists.

I must say, Don has a relevant suspicion here, at least if you read it as motivation for people to get into the field. Doesn't apply to everyone, but there are some definite nutcases. Of course, there seems to be a lot of paranoid in the set of people you could call "extremely bright engineers..." (I'm not referring to anyone in this thread, or anyone they've sparred with - though [this little nugget |http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081210/news_1n10fair.html] kind of made me wonder about my own motivations at times).

Getting back to the original post, I can understand why Oracle might have concerns linking externally, I once clicked on a link at orafaq that had been taken over by porn, the very nice orafaq fellow was grateful someone told him about it. But I did have to tell the IT people why I set off all the flashing red and blue lights of the surf monitor.

108476

Hi,

Your posts do not come across at all humourous.

Yeah, that's the problem when people are not face-to-face, and I've never used emoticons!

On the other hand, I guess it was not too funny . . .

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Can you provide me with a trace file for that? I can't see the evidence

Ah, the winkie thingie. Actually, I've seen stidies from MMPI results, but I cannot find it . . .

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Seriously though, there are doubts that clinical psychology really benefits a person.

Studies too, that show equal "repair" over time from turumatic events, with and without therapy. Time heals all wounds . . .

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But, hey what do I know, I'm no expert (apparently).

Hey, I didn't say that . . .

The truth is, nobody knows. We don't even know your name.

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but you're showing the ego.

Without ego, we have no sense of self, if I recall Freud correctly . . .

BluShadow

HarryP wrote:
I was once told that I needed therapy for a dual personality complex. Dual personality? Me? No way? And me neither!

That's ok, I'm happy to treat you both at once, however my fees are per personality.

burleson wrote:

But, hey what do I know, I'm no expert (apparently).

Hey, I didn't say that . . .

The truth is, nobody knows. We don't even know your name.

A lot of friends call me by my nickname of Blu so BluShadow is good enough.

but you're showing the ego.

Without ego, we have no sense of self, if I recall Freud correctly . . .

Correct according to Freud. However the ego only gives us the "self" (small S) whereas the true Self (capital S) in Vedic teachings can only be recognised when we free ourselves of ego. However, we digress into philosophy, so let's leave it there.