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update 6

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Having just purchased staroffice 8, and found with some disappointment that I then had to install an update, I now have staroffice 8 (v5?) installed, occupying about .25GB, and the update occupying about .5GB, which seems a lot of space in aggregate. Can I now uninstall staroffice 8, and run the update, or must I keep both items installed? In other words, is the update a substitute, or an increment?
  • 1. Re: update 6
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    Monday, May 07, 2007

    When SO8 updates, it replaces and adds files. In the case of update 6 the major addition was to use the HunSpell thesaurus.

    When an update takes place, the old files are renamed with what I think is a build number. If the update is working, then those backup files can be deleted.

    I locate them all by doing a file search in PowerDesk for all files in the Sun Folder with the backup extension. Then I delete using the delete option in PowerDesk's File Finder.

    Phil
  • 2. Re: update 6
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    I was thinking in terms of uninstalling the original staroffice 8v5 via uninstall programs in the control panel, It is shown separately from the update in the population list. Alternatively, one could uninstall the lot and just install the update. Would these ideas work, or am I left with an installation of about .75GB? 0.5GB seems a lot for a spell checker, and it would be nice to get some of my hard drive back!


    Ps I can now answer my own question. Thinking that the installation files on the desktop must be redundant, I deleted them and then found that the software no longer functioned. So I then performed the experiment of installing just the update, but it would not install, so obviously both the v5 download and the update must be installed. The space occupied by the program files and desktop files for these two installations is in excess of 1.1GB, it seems to me. I am surprised by this. Is this the general experience?

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  • 3. Re: update 6
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    Monday 07 May 2007
    Ps I can now answer my own question. Thinking that
    the installation files on the desktop must be
    redundant, I deleted them and then found that the
    software no longer functioned.
    After the installation of SO, one needs to run it once before deleting the installation files. After it is run once, then one can delete the installation files. The same is true after installing an update.
    So I then performed
    the experiment of installing just the update, but it
    would not install,
    As you discovered, the update is as it is described an update which means it needs an installed program it update.
    so obviously both the v5 download
    and the update must be installed. The space occupied
    by the program files and desktop files for these two
    installations is in excess of 1.1GB, it seems to me.
    I am surprised by this. Is this the general
    experience?
    After installation and running the program once, whether it is an installation or an update, you can delete a variety of files.

    [1] The installation files

    [2] Language files which you do not need in templates and help

    [3] Dictionaries which you do not need

    [4] Backup files left after and update--identified by the build number (*.9111 for example)

    My laptop installation is 395MB and my USB stick installation is 444MB (it includes the profile files)

    My laptop has the profile installed in My Documents and Settings which explains the difference in size. You can gain more space if you do not use the sample graphics.

    Phil
  • 4. Re: update 6
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    Thanks for this very helpful reply.

    I might add to my previous comments that in calculating the 1.1GB, I had not included the 0.3-0.5GB of Java and JSE runtime software and updates that I installed in the process of installing StarOffice!

    Do you mean that all I have to do is open and close each of the 5 component programs, and that I shall then be free to delete the 2 installation folders that the installation process placed on my desktop? I am surprised to infer that I had not done so before my unsuccessful attempt to dispense with the installation folders previously, though I may have opened only one or more of the component programs. Is opening all that is required?

    I think I have identified all of the files that you said I might delete, except that I have found only one dictionary folder - staroffice 8/share/dict - I am not sure what it is for or what part of it you would delete? Also, I have found lots of files ending .9134. I take it you would delete every one of them. How can I verify that 9134 is the build no? All I get from the help/about file is staroffice 8 update 6. Do these files serve any purpose, for example in relation to uninstalling the software, or in respect of future updates? It seems odd that they were left lying around after the installation if they may as well be deleted.
    Do you know whether there is similar junk lying around in respect of the Java and JSE runtime updates?
  • 5. Re: update 6
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    Tuesday 08 May 2007
    I might add to my previous comments that in
    calculating the 1.1GB, I had not included the
    0.3-0.5GB of Java and JSE runtime software and
    updates that I installed in the process of installing
    StarOffice!
    Since I use Java for other things including my email program, I include it with the operating environment. I do regularly cleanup the java installations, uninstalling/deleting old ones.

    That said, if you started with SO8 before the updates or added HunSpell utilities, your SO folder alone could reach 1.1GB.
    Do you mean that all I have to do is open and close
    each of the 5 component programs, and that I shall
    then be free to delete the 2 installation folders
    that the installation process placed on my desktop?
    Only run one--I usually only run Writer.
    I am surprised to infer that I had not done so
    before my unsuccessful attempt to dispense with the
    installation folders previously, though I may have
    opened only one or more of the component programs.
    Is opening all that is required?
    Just the one. I found out about this the hard way, deleting the folder before running once.
    I think I have identified all of the files that you
    said I might delete, except that I have found only
    one dictionary folder - staroffice 8/share/dict - I
    am not sure what it is for or what part of it you
    would delete?
    The last update added some HunSpell files and updated the Franklin Proximity files. The old ones would have a number extension.
    Also, I have found lots of files
    ending .9134. I take it you would delete every one
    of them. How can I verify that 9134 is the build no?
    9134 is the update 6 build number. The files with that extension are the old files. I back them up in a ZIp file and burn the Zip to CD. Then I delete. In one case I have recovered a file from a Zip after deletion.
    All I get from the help/about file is staroffice 8
    update 6.
    Build number is found by typing ^S^D^T when the About StarOffice is open.
    Do these files serve any purpose, for
    example in relation to uninstalling the software, or
    in respect of future updates?
    Near as I can tell if you were to select uninstall the update, then the new files would be deleted and the ones with the build number would have their original names restored. They are not used in future updates.
    It seems odd that
    they were left lying around after the installation
    if they may as well be deleted.
    One of the things which was not improved with SO8 over SO7 was how backup files were identified. SO7 puts them in a separate backup folder.
    o you know whether there is similar junk lying around
    in respect of the Java and JSE runtime updates?
    Java updates all are independent, not cumulative, so once one is installed the others can be removed.

    Phil
  • 6. Re: update 6
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    Tuesday 08 May 2007
    I might add to my previous comments that in
    calculating the 1.1GB, I had not included the
    0.3-0.5GB of Java and JSE runtime software and
    updates that I installed in the process of
    installing
    StarOffice!
    Since I use Java for other things including my email
    program, I include it with the operating environment.
    I do regularly cleanup the java installations,
    uninstalling/deleting old ones.

    That said, if you started with SO8 before the updates
    or added HunSpell utilities, your SO folder alone
    could reach 1.1GB.
    Do you mean that all I have to do is open and
    close
    each of the 5 component programs, and that I shall
    then be free to delete the 2 installation folders
    that the installation process placed on my
    desktop?

    Only run one--I usually only run Writer.
    I am surprised to infer that I had not done so
    before my unsuccessful attempt to dispense with
    the
    installation folders previously, though I may have
    opened only one or more of the component programs.
    Is opening all that is required?
    Just the one. I found out about this the hard way,
    deleting the folder before running once.
    I think I have identified all of the files that
    you
    said I might delete, except that I have found only
    one dictionary folder - staroffice 8/share/dict -
    I
    am not sure what it is for or what part of it you
    would delete?
    The last update added some HunSpell files and updated
    the Franklin Proximity files. The old ones would
    have a number extension.
    I gather from this that I will delete any dictionary files that you would delete by deleting the files ending .9134.
    >
    Also, I have found lots of files
    ending .9134. I take it you would delete every
    one
    of them. How can I verify that 9134 is the build
    no?

    9134 is the update 6 build number. The files with
    that extension are the old files. I back them up in
    a ZIp file and burn the Zip to CD. Then I delete.
    In one case I have recovered a file from a Zip after
    deletion.
    All I get from the help/about file is staroffice 8
    update 6.
    Build number is found by typing ^S^D^T when the About
    StarOffice is open.
    I do not seem to have the upside-down v symbol at my disposal. What is it?
    >
    Do these files serve any purpose, for
    example in relation to uninstalling the software,
    or
    in respect of future updates?
    Near as I can tell if you were to select uninstall
    the update, then the new files would be deleted and
    the ones with the build number would have their
    original names restored. They are not used in future
    updates.
    It seems odd that
    they were left lying around after the installation
    if they may as well be deleted.
    One of the things which was not improved with SO8
    over SO7 was how backup files were identified. SO7
    puts them in a separate backup folder.
    o you know whether there is similar junk lying
    around
    in respect of the Java and JSE runtime updates?
    Java updates all are independent, not cumulative, so
    once one is installed the others can be removed.
    My control panel>add/remove programs reveals J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0, updates 6&7, and also Java (TM) SE Runtime Environment 6 and Java (TM) SE Runtime Environment 6 Update 1. Can I uninstall J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0, update 6 and Java (TM) SE Runtime Environment 6? If so, will the uninstall leave junk files lying around, like the .9134 files?

    Tom
  • 7. Re: update 6
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    Wednesday, May 09, 2007

    Hi Tom!
    I gather from this that I will delete any dictionary
    files that you would delete by deleting the files
    ending .9134.
    Yes and if you can tell the languages which you will need, you can delete the ones you will not be using.

    This is an old list of spell checking languages which come with SO8. I have not updated for a while and Update 6 was a major language update, so there could be more languages now. The letters following a language indicate components (S[pellcheck] H[yphenation] T[hesaurus]).

    Catalan - SH
    *Danish - S
    Dutch (Netherlands) - SHT
    English (Australian) - SHT
    English (Canadian) - SHT
    English (Eire) - SHT
    English (UK) - SHT
    English (USA) - SHT
    *Finnish - S
    French (Canada) - SHT
    French (France) - SHT
    German (Germany) - SHT
    German (Switzerland) - SHT
    Hungarian - SH
    Italian (Italy) - SHT
    Norwegian (Bokm´┐Żl) - SHT
    Norwegian (Nynorsk) - SH
    Polish - SH
    Portuguese (Brazil) - SH
    Portuguese (Portugal) - SH
    Russian - SH
    Spanish (Spain) - SHT
    Swedish (Sweden ) - SHT
    Turkish - SH
    I do not seem to have the upside-down v symbol at my
    disposal. What is it?
    Opps--techie shorthand from my CP/M days. ^ before a letter means Ctrl-Letter. I should have written Ctrl-S Ctrl-D Ctrl T.
    My control panel>add/remove programs reveals J2SE
    Runtime Environment 5.0, updates 6&7, and also Java
    (TM) SE Runtime Environment 6 and Java (TM) SE
    Runtime Environment 6 Update 1. Can I uninstall
    J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0, update 6 and Java (TM)
    SE Runtime Environment 6?
    Check your folder System structure, but the redundant versions should be all listed separately under Program Files/Java. That means you can delete them.
    If so, will the uninstall
    leave junk files lying around, like the .9134 files?
    Usually everything would be deleted but files which have put in the folders. If you installed off the web the MSI installation files may be somewhere.

    Phil
  • 8. Re: update 6
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    Many thanks for all this advice.

    I have deleted non 'en' languages from the help file, deleted the 9134 files, deleted the installation files after having run SO, and uninstalled the old versions of java and J2SE. It has all worked very well, and released lots of space.

    I should think that if all of this could be incorporated in some wizard or in the intallation processes for the updates, it would be good for all.
  • 9. Re: update 6
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    I have re replied rather than post another message.
  • 10. Re: update 6
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    Ps

    I have just found another 92.3 MB of stuff lying around on my hard drive in a folder entitled OpenOfficeorg 2.0 Installation Files, located in C: Drivers. I wonder whether this is the OpenOffice equivalent of the installation folder for StarOffice that was placed on my desktop, and whether it could have been deleted after OpenOffice had been run for the first time. However that may be, I wonder whether I may delete it without having any untoward effect on the system or on StarOffice, since I uninstalled OpenOffice after installing StarOffice.
  • 11. Re: update 6
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    Wednesday, May 16, 2007

    I agree that SO8 could handle the cleanup after installation better, or at least include a macro which would do it for the user. That would get around the problem of having to run SO once before deleting the installation files.
    I have just found another 92.3 MB of stuff lying
    around on my hard drive in a folder entitled
    OpenOfficeorg 2.0 Installation Files, located in C:
    Drivers. I wonder whether this is the OpenOffice
    equivalent of the installation folder for StarOffice
    that was placed on my desktop, and whether it could
    have been deleted after OpenOffice had been run for
    the first time. However that may be, I wonder
    whether I may delete it without having any untoward
    effect on the system or on StarOffice, since I
    uninstalled OpenOffice after installing StarOffice.
    OOo and SO can coexist on the same system. I have SO7, SO8 and OO2.x all coexisting. Their installation and running is indepedent. So, since have deleted OOo, you can delete the installation files. You could also delete the OOo profile in Documents and Settings.

    Phil
  • 12. Re: update 6
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    Thanks yet again. I take it by profile you mean the OOo file in Application data.

    Another odd thing is that a folder entitled 'adabas' turned up on one of my external hard drives. Or maybe I moved it there and have forgotten. Maybe it was another one of those 'installation' files. Anyhow, I cannot work out what the relevance of adabas is here. I know that it is the name of a database application. The help file suggests that it is not installed on Windows systems. Perhaps it is a substitute for StarOffice Base on Apple systems, or maybe an additional data base program, but if the latter I cannot find it. Can you offer any clues, please?
  • 13. Re: update 6
    793959 Newbie
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    Saturday, May 19, 2007
    Thanks yet again. I take it by profile you mean the
    OOo file in Application data.
    Yes.
    Another odd thing is that a folder entitled 'adabas'
    turned up on one of my external hard drives. Or
    maybe I moved it there and have forgotten. Maybe it
    was another one of those 'installation' files.
    Anyhow, I cannot work out what the relevance of
    adabas is here. I know that it is the name of a
    database application. The help file suggests that
    it is not installed on Windows systems. Perhaps it
    is a substitute for StarOffice Base on Apple
    systems, or maybe an additional data base program,
    but if the latter I cannot find it. Can you offer
    any clues, please?
    I installed it with SO7 and have never used it. There is an installer for it in my SO8 folder, but when it came I do not know. I started using SO8 in beta.

    Phil
  • 14. Re: update 6
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    Thanks Phil. Perhaps I installed it to. Where would I find it?
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