14 Replies Latest reply on Nov 26, 2017 1:45 PM by Dude!

# Clicking on Like breaks points allocation

A question I posed on the community was commented on.  I liked the response but also found it helpful, so I clicked on the Liked link the clicked on the Helpful link.  Thereafter marking a suggestion as  helpful or correct does not result in points being allocated.

• ###### 1. Re: Clicking on Like breaks points allocation

That would have to be tested fully to be sure.  I'm fairly sure it does allocate the points, but it's known that points do not always show immediately.

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This has happened to me a few times over the last 3 months.  The points never materialise.  This happened the first or second time I clicked on "Like".   So I don't think it is based on a limit to the points allocation for a day for a discussion.

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I'm just trying to understand the actual mechanism you're referring to.

There ARE limits in place as to how many points you can get for actually doing certain actions, e.g. there is a limit to how many points you will awarded for marking other people's responses to your questions as helpful, and that limit is a 'per day' limit, so once you reach that limit you won't receive any more for that day.  Those limits are in place to help prevent people abusing the system (as we've had in the past) by people just marking everything as helpful in order to gain points and status for themselves.

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I understand and accept the limits you mention.   But not when one clicks on the "Like" and then the "Helpful for the first time.

This seemed to have a "Banning me from points effect" thereafter.  How do these limits work? If I knew what they are then I could understand why it prevented points from being allocated when I commented on an Idea posted by someone else.

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Reading the following to get a better idea of how the system functions.

• ###### 6. Re: Clicking on Like breaks points allocation

Those daily limits are secret. Points are also often not awarded immediately due to some delays in the system.

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I have had times when no points are awarded.  On some occasions I may have reached the imposed limit.   A few days ago in the first posting I first indicated that I liked the comment as this does not give points.  This was the day BluShadow commented on some strange behaviour which also seemed to be related to the "Like" function.   Aftre I had clicked on "Like" I decided to mark the comment as helpful because it gave me some link or idea of what I could check for.   Being the first posting I was looking at for the day it was rather strange that no points were awarded.  It was coincidental that this was after clicking on "Like".  This made me think the failure to be awarded points was related to this.    Over time one can fathom out what the points allocation system is.

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You may eventually come at odds with the point system.

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What do you mean?  Bump heads with the powers that be.   I don't like to accept  mediocrity and prefer a stable consistent system.   The community system seems to have many bugs.

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I don't know anyone who likes mediocrity or does not prefer a reliable system.

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The way I see it, the true value of the Oracle community lies in improving your communication skills and experience, and of course, if you participate in a product forum, you will learn from trying to answer other people's questions. If it was up to me, points would only be rewarded for answering questions and nothing else.

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... which however doesn't mean I defend the current status quo. It would be nice if points would translate to real value, like being recognized as real world experience.

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I have been having similar thoughts and am pondering the current points system and how relevant it is.

• ###### 14. Re: Clicking on Like breaks points allocation

It's relevant as long as you consider it relevant. I think the point system had more, so called intrinsic motivation, and hence more value in past - when points were only given for helpful and correct answers, and when there were only a few levels such as newbie, pro, expert and guru. Some people have of course have always been demonizing the point system, relying on other methods or means to accomplish recognition in the community.

The current gamification and recognition system is meant to set incentives for people to participate. In my opinion, its implementation however makes a mockery of people's accomplishments. I personally think the system is overjustifying, by giving points for mere participating and letting people obtain "expert" levels without ever answering a technical question. It defeats the purpose of intrinsic motivation and instead encourages cheating, shortcuts and unethical behavior trying to accomplish a recognizable status. In order to combat these excesses, the system has secret daily limits for certain actions, which make newcomers wondering whether the system is working properly.