4 Replies Latest reply on Nov 8, 2018 5:50 PM by jgarry

    Back to regular forums?

    GrodanBoll

      Are there any plans to move back to use regular forums instead of this "spaces-and-everything-in-one-place-thing"?

      It's the worst and most disorganized site I have seen in a long time.

        • 1. Re: Back to regular forums?
          BluShadow

          To my knowledge, there are no such plans.

          Structurally there is very little difference between the "spaces" and the previous forums, they are still structured in a hierarchical way based on products and sub products.  The main difference is that each place has the ability to have an overview page as well as content page, and can have separate documents, blogs and ideas (where enabled) in relation to it.

          • 2. Re: Back to regular forums?
            Chitrasai1-Oracle

            GrodanBoll

             

            I am sorry you felt that way.Meanwhile we are here to help if you are facing problem in navigation in community.

            Let us know what is giving you a felling of disorganized.

             

             

            Chitra

            Community administrator

            • 3. Re: Back to regular forums?
              fac586

              Chitrasai1-Oracle wrote:

               

              Let us know what is giving you a felling of disorganized.

              Being referred to as "groundbreakers".

              • 4. Re: Back to regular forums?
                jgarry

                Too much granularity in spaces.  This leaves some spaces almost devoid of content.

                Organization of spaces.  Spaces get buried too deeply in the hierarchy, and the purpose of some of the groupings don't seem apparent.

                 

                Long, long ago there was a usenet group called comp.databases.oracle.  There was also a misnamed group called comp.database.oracle.  The volume wasn't too high for everything to be munged together.  Eventually the volume increased, so the usenet mechanism was used to create 4 groups: comp.databases.oracle.server, comp.databases.oracle.misc, comp.databases.oracle.marketplace, and comp.databases.oracle.tools.  The volume still wasn't so high that a dedicated volunteer couldn't follow them all.  The biggest problem at the time was convincing headhunters and marketers to use cdo.marketplace rather than cdo.misc.  Eventually most everyone left to go to other fora (like this one, the oracle-l mailing list [which some don't like due to its moderation], and the various social media), and the hierarchy was left to die a slow spammy death.

                 

                I miss it because it was very focused on technical issues.  Many of the social media sites like twitter and linkedin have many good people (including some from the usenet days), but they are always working against the strong structural elements that make up the sites - as Marshall McLuhan famously said, the medium is the message.  The marketing aspects are one of the strong elements.

                 

                So whenever some of us see gamification or arbitrary hierarchicalization that conflicts with how we think things should be organized, that creates a feeling of loss or disorganization.  Naturally, you'll never make everyone happy, but the main thing is to have things work predictably and reliably.  The end goal should be for the infrastructure to fade into the background, where things "just work."

                 

                This is, of course, the opposite of break things and innovate, or whatever Jive has done to sell their product over just writing it in Apex.