burleson wrote:Actually, I think the correct answer is "it depends" on the version and licensed options for either Oracle or MS SQL Server.
Are you sure?
I was under the impression that Oracle is very cheap for the small systems that SQL Server level customers use (2-4 CPU's)?
Does anybody know for sure?
burleson wrote:Exactly! In fact I know several firms here in San Diego that initially deployed their database and application environments on MySQL and ended up having to re-implement due to scalability and availability issues. One can only imagine theThe real measure is total cost of ownership (TCO), not just the license costs . . .Please note Oracle SE One is cheaper than SQL Standard Edition
The license costs are just a tiny fraction of the total costs for a database management system.
It's like buying a horse, the purchase price is just a tiny fraction of what you will spend.
burleson wrote:Untrue. Windows is a capable operating system, period.
Also we have to remember that Windows can crash almost daily . . .
OTN is full of questions where Windows services crash for no apparent reason!And OTN contains even more questions where Oracle crashes for no apparent reason. Your point being?
alanm wrote:My point being that many developers (that I have met) have little idea how to use SQL properly and incorrectly conclude that SQL Server or MySQL will indeed do the job. Thereby increasing the total cost of the project while keeping the apparent initial cost down.
If sql server or my sql are cheaper and can still do the job then that is what will be brought.
alanm wrote:Don't think that Oracle does not want to do business.. they do. So IMO play open cards with the Oracle account manager. Be truthful of what you can afford and how and where you want to use Oracle. They're not short sighted. A foot in the door today means probable sales in the future. So they want your business and they are, in my experience, prepared to meet a customer.. and sometimes more than halfway. Word is that a discount (the word obscene comes to mind) we got some years ago, had to be okayed by Larry himself. We only had x amount. And the choice was either mySQL or Oracle. We asked Oracle if they wanted the business. The solution was ringfenced. Some years later.. we now have several other systems using the exact same Oracle technology and products and the beancounters are happy to pay proper price now for a proven architecture.
I agree that accountants do look at the here and now and it is obvious that with Oracle prices the way they are then Capital expense has to be looked at. And with that we are in a global economic downturn then Capital expenditure is the first thing to suffer. If sql server or my sql are cheaper and can still do the job then that is what will be brought.
alanm wrote:Yes, I know.
A huge number of websites use the LAMP technology stack, it is stable and developers are happy with it.
alanm wrote:Push it. Either they want your business or not. If they do, then they need to accommodate you now and get your business in future.
we had a frank discussion with our account manager. Yes Oracle with provide credit etc etc but they will alway get their pound of flesh.
Even our account manager said that Oracle need to egt in the real world but that O fear will not happen.
I'm not at all surprised to hear that you love Windows . . .Windows is a capable operating system, period.
It's not a good idea to make conclusions, based on no evidence . . .Do not blame one's own inability to install, configure, administer and use an operating system correctly