Oracle geometry is valid, but ESRI server says it isn't

We're converting from mapinfo to esri and we just came upon an issue, out of 500,000 shapes esri is reporting that 52 have errors.  

I've run the Oracle sdo_geom.validate_geometry_with_context and the sdo_geom.validate_layer_with_context and it shows no errors.  

When I run the esri command sdelayer on the same table it reports 52 invalid objects. The error the esri command returns is "Linestring or poly boundary is self-intersecting".  I'd think that would be the same as and Oracle error -13349, which I don't get when I validate the rows esri says are invalid.